We had an invisible fence rep come over tonight and quoted us $1200 for two dogs, front yard onlyaverage sized yard. Do you have a price quote for innotek and is it comparable? I was surprised at the expense, but it is the collar that is costly.
e fence
has any one purchased or used the e fence made by innotek? Not sure which to go with.
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I was looking at the ones you purchase as a kit at wal-mart and put in yourself. The name brand of the fence is innotek.
we have a e fence by Invisable Fence Co. (my BF used to work there for years). Contrary to many's beliefs on the board, none of my GSD's have ever tested the fence. They will run right up to the line and bark (garbage man, mail man etc) but never EVER cross the line. It took them each one time to be shocked during training and that was it. They get the beep beep noise as a warning and as soon as they hear it they drop back with tail between their legs, knowing any further steps would be shocking. (lol) The only dog to test our fence over and over again was the ACD mix.
GSD's are very loyal and protective and arent usually run-away dogs. I know 100% that even if the fence is off, which it is from time to time, that i dont have to worry about her running away. Mya doesnt even wear her e-collar anymore she knows where the line is and wont cross it.
GSD's are very loyal and protective and arent usually run-away dogs. I know 100% that even if the fence is off, which it is from time to time, that i dont have to worry about her running away. Mya doesnt even wear her e-collar anymore she knows where the line is and wont cross it.
Tibvixie we have Invisible Fence as well. We only had to show Shane once, where NOT to go and he got the point. He won't cross the line either. Sometimes we let him out without the collar, and he still won't cross the line. The only time he knows he is allowed is when we put on his pincher collar and leash or when he jumps in the back of the car.
However, I do get a kick out of it, when I see people walking by my yard and Shane wants to go greet them so he starts charging full speed ahead down the driveway. Of course, the people don't know we have an invisible fence, so they see basically a big scary dog coming at them
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, so they will jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street.
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But Shane will always come to an abrupt stop right before the line! it is quiet a show to watch
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However, I do get a kick out of it, when I see people walking by my yard and Shane wants to go greet them so he starts charging full speed ahead down the driveway. Of course, the people don't know we have an invisible fence, so they see basically a big scary dog coming at them
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I personally don't care for efence. Dogs can, and many will, blow through the efence. Even dogs that were properly trained and showed total respect of the fence for years may some day blow through. Knowing dogs who have died because their owners believed the efence to contain them, and it didn't, I would never trust it. It's a great safety net for when you're out with the dog, but I would never leave a dog outside unsupervised with only an efence. And of course they don't keep other people and animals out as well as a real fence does.
If you do decide to get an efence, you should go with one of the companies like Invisible Fence. It is a much higher quality product than the cheap boxed versions purchased at pet stores and Walmarts, it will be installed properly, and you will get hands on training about how to use it and train your dog to it properly. And if anything goes wrong, either in the system or the training, they will help.
Efence is dangerous enough without adding additional risk of using a substandard product.
If you do decide to get an efence, you should go with one of the companies like Invisible Fence. It is a much higher quality product than the cheap boxed versions purchased at pet stores and Walmarts, it will be installed properly, and you will get hands on training about how to use it and train your dog to it properly. And if anything goes wrong, either in the system or the training, they will help.
Efence is dangerous enough without adding additional risk of using a substandard product.
And that show may well get Animal Control called and a "vicious dog" label hung on your dog. Life usually gets real complicated after that.Quote:it is quiet a show to watch
Time to put some obedience on your dog.
Don't begin to presume you know me or my dog. MY DOG IS WELL TRAINED. And apparently you don't understand the term "vicious dog". He must bear his teeth and growl in a vicious manner. Running down the driveway, tail-wagging and tongue hanging out is not considered vicious. In fact, it is very much considered a dog acting like a dog! Get your facts straight if you want to put in your two cents. Otherwise, maybe you shouldn't be speaking on matters you don't know much about. I don't hear animal control knocking at my door. Your post was ill mannered and unwarranted.Originally Posted By: SheppyAnd that show may well get Animal Control called and a "vicious dog" label hung on your dog. Life usually gets real complicated after that.Quote:it is quiet a show to watch
Time to put some obedience on your dog.
That is just awful! Why do you think it is fun to scare people? People should be free to walk down the street with out worrying that a unleashed and apparently unfenced dog will attack them.Originally Posted By: Liljah
However, I do get a kick out of it, when I see people walking by my yard and Shane wants to go greet them so he starts charging full speed ahead down the driveway. Of course, the people don't know we have an invisible fence, so they see basically a big scary dog coming at them, so they will jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street.![]()
But Shane will always come to an abrupt stop right before the line! it is quiet a show to watch![]()
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I am sure that Shane is a wonderful dog and would never hurt a flea but you shouldn't allow him to scare people either.
It really doesn't matter that you think your dog is well-trained or friendly.
What matters is what the people who "jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street" think. If Animal Control gets enough calls, they will do what it takes to correct the problem.
FWIW, there have been dogs put down in this area for just that behavior.
What matters is what the people who "jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street" think. If Animal Control gets enough calls, they will do what it takes to correct the problem.
FWIW, there have been dogs put down in this area for just that behavior.
I agree.Originally Posted By: RobinB
That is just awful! Why do you think it is fun to scare people? People should be free to walk down the street with out worrying that a unleashed and apparently unfenced dog will attack them.
I am sure that Shane is a wonderful dog and would never hurt a flea but you shouldn't allow him to scare people either.
Most people can't read canine body language for diddly, and therefore can't tell the difference between a happy GSD running to greet them and a vicious one that's going to eat them. And it certainly doesn't help the reputation of the breed for GSDs to run around scaring people, even if that isn't the dog's intent.
And people can complain to animal control for just feeling threatened. Sad, but true.
Well then they don't know the law or your plain lying because a dog can't be put down for just behavior. A dog must attack and act out of character or in some places there is even a one bit rule, otherwise, just because a dog is running is not enough. If wish to continue to fight me on this, then please go to your local law library and find the law on the matter. OR better yet, call your town hall, they will clarify it for you. Otherwise, don't tell me what the law is...I studied the law.Originally Posted By: SheppyIt really doesn't matter that you think your dog is well-trained or friendly.
What matters is what the people who "jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street" think. If Animal Control gets enough calls, they will do what it takes to correct the problem.
FWIW, there have been dogs put down in this area for just that behavior.
And I don't THINK my dog is well trained...he is. Instead of being mean spirited and ill mannered why can't you find the humor in the situation. These are not strangers walking by but people I know. And they are not jumping because of fear but more of shock. I guess them laughing as they walk away, is not a good indication it was funny.
That this incident doesn't mean I make the GSD have a bad rep. But the bad rep stems from bad breeders. If in fact my dog is so vicious, I guess the neighborhood kids shouldn't be playing in my yard with my dog. I should tell them all to stay away. You take a statement and make it serious. If a toy a poodle was running down the drive way "aww how cute." But because it is a friendly GS it's "oh my god, he is not trained?" Tell me where is the logic and the fairness in that? Because what everyone is basically saying, if a GS does anything that a normal dog would do, it is a bad's rep. A dog will behave how you train them to behave. A toy poodle can also be a vicious animal if he was trained in that manner. Instead of harping on the bad qualities of a GS, try finding the good ones. I'm tired hearing the negativity. He was running towards the people because HE WANTED TO GREET THEM. Gee, what a mean dog.
Most people cant tell the difference between a nice dog and a mean one, and I've known people to get bitten by dogs wagging their tails...its not always the best indicator. I cant blame someone for being frightened, its a real shame.
You are totally telling the story different this time. Go back and read your first post. It certainly didn't sound like people who know you or your dog. You appeared to be taking pleasure in the fact that you dog scared people who walked pass your yard.Originally Posted By: Liljah
And I don't THINK my dog is well trained...he is. Instead of being mean spirited and ill mannered why can't you find the humor in the situation. These are not strangers walking by but people I know. And they are not jumping because of fear but more of shock. I guess them laughing as they walk away, is not a good indication it was funny.
We are telling you that it is not funny. Even if some people end up laughing in the end. People can truly be scared by an unfamiliar dog running up to them. You should not allow your dog to do this.
I believe you when you say your dog is well trained and friendly. People walking by your house will not know this however.
Are you incapable of admitting you might be doing something wrong?
Maybe you should go back and read. I didn't realize I had to write you a book for you to fully understand. Instead of attacking me and making me look bad, why don't you find out the facts first? I am very capable of admitting when I am wrong. Can you?
My story didn't change, its the fact you finally get it.
My story didn't change, its the fact you finally get it.
I won`t get into the e-fence debate because it will be a debate with people that have never owned one, bought a cheap one, didn`t train or just people that heard it from Joe who heard it from Jim. Mostly just BS.
There are only 2 brands I recommend( I have more years e-fence experience than many people here have years out of grade school) I have had all levels of GSD`s on them with out any problems.
You have to train, you have to do refresher training and you have to maintain the collar. I don`t leave my dogs out unattended for long periods and I don`t leave home with them out.
Invisible fence and Dog Guard are the only 2 I have had and they are quality. I have Dog Guard the last dozen or more years. I only switched because I wanted to do more property. I can adjust the width and height of the correction zone. Think of the zone like a McDonalds arch and also the level of correction. My young male has what I would rate as a 9 out of 10 prey drive and he will chase a deer at full speed for 150` and then skid to a stop just before the correction zone making muddy skid marks in the grass.
Where you lay the wire for where your dog can go as far as being courteous to neighbors and pedestrians is important.
There are only 2 brands I recommend( I have more years e-fence experience than many people here have years out of grade school) I have had all levels of GSD`s on them with out any problems.
You have to train, you have to do refresher training and you have to maintain the collar. I don`t leave my dogs out unattended for long periods and I don`t leave home with them out.
Invisible fence and Dog Guard are the only 2 I have had and they are quality. I have Dog Guard the last dozen or more years. I only switched because I wanted to do more property. I can adjust the width and height of the correction zone. Think of the zone like a McDonalds arch and also the level of correction. My young male has what I would rate as a 9 out of 10 prey drive and he will chase a deer at full speed for 150` and then skid to a stop just before the correction zone making muddy skid marks in the grass.
Where you lay the wire for where your dog can go as far as being courteous to neighbors and pedestrians is important.
Show me one instance where a dog that has not bitten somebody and has stayed on their own property was put down. Another case of pass the gossip bandwagon. Even PM me that animal control phone number so I can call.Originally Posted By: Sheppy
What matters is what the people who "jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street" think. If Animal Control gets enough calls, they will do what it takes to correct the problem.
FWIW, there have been dogs put down in this area for just that behavior.
I understood your story perfectly. And I think you are behaving horribly to your neighbors by allowing your dog to scare the neighbors when the seeOriginally Posted By: LiljahMaybe you should go back and read. I didn't realize I had to write you a book for you to fully understand. Instead of attacking me and making me look bad, why don't you find out the facts first? I am very capable of admitting when I am wrong. Can you?
My story didn't change, its the fact you finally get it.
If you want to now pretend like everyone who walks past your house is your good friend who knows your dog and thinks it is a big laugh be my guest.Originally Posted By: Liljahbasically a big scary dog coming at them , so they will jump like 10 feet in the air and run across the street".
You don't need me to make you look bad, you are doing a fine job of it by yourself.
My assumption is that they were put down. They are no longer around and displaying that behavior. The owners (two different locations) did not move and the dogs were not that old (i.e. they didn't die of old age).Quote: ... show me ...
Don't know if A/C instigated it or not. One dog was a Dobbie mix the other a Shepherd mix. They would both charge the sidewalk barking, snapping and snarling at people who were walking down the sidewalk -- elders, mothers with small children, men, women and kids.
Perhaps they eventually did go out in the sidewalk and bite someone. As others have noted, most folks don't really train their dogs on the fence all that well. Some dogs learn that a fast run at the boundary will result in one shock and then they are free.
I doubt that "we have an Invisible Fence" is much of a defense in a dog bite lawsuit. In which case, the insurance company makes the payout on your behalf and then either cancels your insurance or makes keeping your homeowner's insurance contingent on getting rid of the dog. Getting insured when your dog has a bite history can be a real challenge. Rehoming a dog with a bite history is also a challenge.
Maybe someone got really tired of having their wife and kids threatened and took the dog for a ride one night.
In any case, the dogs are no longer around and charging people walking down the sidewalk.
Please get back on topic (general reminder to everyone). This is a discussion about e-fences.
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