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I have had no problems with my Jake until last 3 months.Will not say what I was feeding since don't want to feed in to controversy on board about sick vs food vs sick for another reason.Jake was drinking too much eating grass and barfing and itching on food he has been on for 3 yrs.I felt something NOT right and switched to grain free food.As for dumpster diving I went to small grocer in my town and asked making it clear (no BAD/rotten food)wanted but would pay discount for slightly old or unsold meat and some produce.I twice a week throw all I get in a pot and cook low heat for hours.I then put in in blender and make pot liquor/mush.Mix this withgrain free kibble and Jake has NEVER had such a shiny coat-no itching and small well formed stools.I paid attention to what was in each 'MUSH'and he seems to do well on all but potato/tomato mix.I also grind any people dinner left over from me.
Any comments on this.His mix averages 2 cups grain free and 2 cups mush per day.Maintaining weight 28'and 82 lbs.
 

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Just thought I would add that I'm probably not much help as that I do not feed raw. Mine get kibble only, no people food whatsoever. Well, I take that back, Ava will some yogurt and on occasion I give them rice but other than that .. no people food.

Hopefully, someone else will chime in that will better help you.
 

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IMO if you and his vet don't have an issue with it, obviously it is working very well for him. Rocky has food allergies and we mostly feed him kibble only. He will get "special" treats once in a while and cheese quite often but besides that I am scared to try anything to different.
 

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Sounds like your dog's body is telling you, "About **** time! Ahhhhhh."


If he's not barfing, itching, farting, squirting poo, and generally looking/feeling disgusting, I think you have a winner of a diet. Put it in a can and call it "Dumpster Diva Dinner for Dogs" and rake in millions.
 

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Potatoes and tomatoes are night shade family plants along with eggplant. Mine seem to do very well with good kibble and a little bit of boiled chicken.
 

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I agree with Diana. I'd just make sure that this diet, if you're going to keep him on it long term, is fully balanced. Dogs have specific mineral needs in particular that may be lacking (calcium comes immediately to mind). While the kibble will give him much of what he needs, I like to ensure that what I'm supplementing is equally balanced, especially if he's getting quite a lot of it.

I recommend Dr. Pitcairn's guide (although there are others). You can get it at Amazon for cheaper than his website, I think.

As for potatoes and tomatoes being nightshades plants, this is particularly important for dogs that have arthritis (and similar inflammatory syndromes). But if yours doesn't, I don't see know of any reason that you can't feed them to your dog, just because they're nightshades. There is one concern if you're "dumpster diving" for potatoes (getting potatoes past their freshness date) though:

~~The nightshade plants contain an alkaloid steroid called solanine. The foliage & unripe fruit contain dangerous levels of this steroid. The ripe fruit are the least toxic part of this family of plants but may be deadly under some circumstances. Solanine is also found in potato sprouts and the green spots on some potatoes. Sweet potatoes and yams are totally safe.

A toxic dose of solanine will manifest itself by creating severe digestive upset, trembling, weakness, difficulty in breathing and/or paralysis. Before using potato tubers as food remove all eyes/sprouts by digging them out of the tuber. Never use any form of nightshade foliage/fruit/tubers as forage for livestock.

Potatoes gain their green color and solanine concentration from being allowed to be exposed to the sun while drying after harvesting.

Solanine inhibits the formation of the collagen that makes up cartilage. It is highly recommended that anyone/thing who suffers with any form of joint ailment stop ingesting all nightshade plants. To avoid any type of 'growing pains' as the vet called Pano and joint dysfunction, especially if predisposed, avoid all consumption of nightshade plant material.
http://www.doglogic.com/food.htm

So, watch those sprouting potatoes and not quite ripe tomatoes carefully. And I wouldn't make either or both the *bulk* of his diet. But in moderation (as with nearly everything we do with dogs), and assuming there are no clear inflammatory orthopedic issues, it seems to me they would be a healthy, if somewhat limited, part of his diet.
 

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Thanks for all replies.i just want to emphasize that I am concerned that what I might have considered in jakes best interest might be wrong.MOST important if I would NOT eat it myself I do not feed it to him.Times are tough for middle class right now.What I ate tonight-4 shrimp from seafood store-some fresh raw pear and bread and butter.What jake ate 1.5 cups grain free kibble -couple tablespoons cottage cheese and some home ground leftovers (beef potato lima bean carrot soup)I just want all to know I would never feed my dog anything I would NOT share.Late to understanding the whole pet food thing and moving on the best I can.
 

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Yeah, times are tough. We're all feeling really pinched. I know that a lot of raw food folks buy their meat at Wal Mart. I find that most meats are cheaper at my warehouse store than at my grocery store. (Though I religiously check weekly sales ads to be sure).Others use co-ops. The really lucky ones get to shop at military commissaries. (But they pay in other ways, eh?)

I'm always foraging at the grocery store clearance section. But often, I find things that are still more expensive than I can find at Costco. I found a large-ish t-bone steak that was $3.45 in the clearance section. (It had the sell by date for the day I was shopping). That was marked down from the sale price of $7.98. The regular price was $14. Who the heck can afford $14 for one darn steak? We sure can't. At Costco, I can get a whole tray of boneless steaks of better grade for that price!

So I guess what I'm saying is keep looking. I know that your grocer is giving you his best deals, but sometimes, you can still find better deals out there. So keep your eyes open! You're never "too late" to the whole dog food thing! You're already getting it!
 

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Originally Posted By: 3K9MomYeah, times are tough. We're all feeling really pinched.
I found a large-ish t-bone steak that was $3.45 in the clearance section. (It had the sell by date for the day I was shopping). That was marked down from the sale price of $7.98. The regular price was $14. Who the heck can afford $14 for one darn steak? We sure can't.
Was that dog food, or human food? I won't feed my dogs anything if it costs more than $2. a lb. I would eat a reduced T-bone(aged). I don't like meat that much, but haven't had a great steak in a while...
 
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