I haven't seen anything like that. I'm curious though - what would be the purpose of two sounds since the click signifies the instant a job is well done. I'm always ready to learn something new.
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Ok...My Master's thesis is regarding different types of conditioned responses. The clicker represents a secondary condtioner, for short, it signifies a positive reinforcement (i.e. a food reward). My theory is that two sounds can can signify both positive and negative reinforcement. (Before everyone gets upset, negative reinforcement means the ABSENCE of a reward, NOT punishment). Therefore, one sound would indicate the same thing as a click from a clicker. The second sound would be the same as saying "nope" or "uh-uh"
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without the emotion that can be conveyed with your voice.
Ideally, one would be able to accurately communicate with the dog which behaviors were "good", and which were "bad."
Just so there are no confusions, negative reinforcement means that the dog is NOT rewarded. It does not mean that the dog is punished. This has been a big source of confusion in my classes.
Hopes this helps!
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Ideally, one would be able to accurately communicate with the dog which behaviors were "good", and which were "bad."
Just so there are no confusions, negative reinforcement means that the dog is NOT rewarded. It does not mean that the dog is punished. This has been a big source of confusion in my classes.
Hopes this helps!
While I understand you want the other sound to mean they did not do something right so will not be getting a reward.............. Doesn't clicker training already have the 'other' sound built in as the negative reinforcer (no treat).
Silence.
So the sound of 'click' means treat. The sound of silence means no treat.
And you may want to make sure of your terms (though I may be reading your post wrong, go figure
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) as far as 'negative reinforcement'.
http://www.clickertraining.com/glossary/17#lettern
http://www.wagntrain.com/OC/Part2.htm#Rneg
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/primer.htm
If you still need a different sound, there are a bunch of different clickers on the market right now with entirely different sounds our dogs would soon figure out.
Silence.
So the sound of 'click' means treat. The sound of silence means no treat.
And you may want to make sure of your terms (though I may be reading your post wrong, go figure
http://www.clickertraining.com/glossary/17#lettern
http://www.wagntrain.com/OC/Part2.htm#Rneg
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/primer.htm
If you still need a different sound, there are a bunch of different clickers on the market right now with entirely different sounds our dogs would soon figure out.
How would you go about teaching the negative reinforcement? I know with regular clicker training you just give a treat so would it be as simple as taking one away?Originally Posted By: WorkingK9sOk...My Master's thesis is regarding different types of conditioned responses. The clicker represents a secondary condtioner, for short, it signifies a positive reinforcement (i.e. a food reward). My theory is that two sounds can can signify both positive and negative reinforcement. (Before everyone gets upset, negative reinforcement means the ABSENCE of a reward, NOT punishment). Therefore, one sound would indicate the same thing as a click from a clicker. The second sound would be the same as saying "nope" or "uh-uh"without the emotion that can be conveyed with your voice.![]()
Ideally, one would be able to accurately communicate with the dog which behaviors were "good", and which were "bad."
Just so there are no confusions, negative reinforcement means that the dog is NOT rewarded. It does not mean that the dog is punished. This has been a big source of confusion in my classes.
Hopes this helps!![]()
Sometimes I snap my fingers at mine when they are either doing something wrong or crossing the line to doing something wrong. Maybe you could use a snap as the other sound?
Ideally, but silence does not specifically indicate what was unwanted in a timely fashion.
This has been bothering me, and led me to spend the last few days doing a lot of research. After extensive discussions with my current professor, the use of a two toned clicker to indicate good and bad can fall into a lot of categories. The sound of the click only indicates the positive or negative reinforcement is available. Reinforcement is something that increases a behavior. Positive reinforcement increases a behavior by adding something to the sequence, (i.e. a treat for sitting to increase the sit behavior). Negative reinforcement increases a behavior by taking something away (i.e. taking the treat away when dog stands to increase sit behavior).Quote: And you may want to make sure of your terms (though I may be reading your post wrong, go figure) as far as 'negative reinforcement'.![]()
http://www.clickertraining.com/glossary/17#lettern
http://www.wagntrain.com/OC/Part2.htm#Rneg
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/primer.htm
BUT... The action of taking the treat away can also be negative punishment. Punsihment is something that reduces a behavior. Positive punishment is something that is added to reduce a behavior (i.e. spraying cat with water when it jumps on counter to reduce behavior of jumping on counter). Nagative punishment is something that reduces behavior by taking something away, (i.e. take attention away when dog jumps to reduce jumping).
Depending on the wording or which behavior you chose to isolate, the action indicated by the "no" clicker can be negative reinforcement or punishment...very grey.
I will look in to this and see what I can find...I might have to concoct something on my own.
It would most likely be the absence of a treat. We'll see though. I will let everyone know if I actually find a clicker like this though.
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