I haven't seen anything like that. I'm curious though - what would be the purpose of two sounds since the click signifies the instant a job is well done. I'm always ready to learn something new.
How would you go about teaching the negative reinforcement? I know with regular clicker training you just give a treat so would it be as simple as taking one away?Originally Posted By: WorkingK9sOk...My Master's thesis is regarding different types of conditioned responses. The clicker represents a secondary condtioner, for short, it signifies a positive reinforcement (i.e. a food reward). My theory is that two sounds can can signify both positive and negative reinforcement. (Before everyone gets upset, negative reinforcement means the ABSENCE of a reward, NOT punishment). Therefore, one sound would indicate the same thing as a click from a clicker. The second sound would be the same as saying "nope" or "uh-uh"without the emotion that can be conveyed with your voice.
Ideally, one would be able to accurately communicate with the dog which behaviors were "good", and which were "bad."
Just so there are no confusions, negative reinforcement means that the dog is NOT rewarded. It does not mean that the dog is punished. This has been a big source of confusion in my classes.
Hopes this helps!
When I am teaching a dog something new, I use the clicker for the positive marker and if not, they hear the uh-uh or wrong as quoted above. Some people use a different word or sound. When the dog hears the negative marker, thy know there will be no treat and the command will be tried again.Quote:I use 'uh-uh' or 'wrong' for the negative marker
Ideally, but silence does not specifically indicate what was unwanted in a timely fashion.Originally Posted By: MaggieRoseLeeWhile I understand you want the other sound to mean they did not do something right so will not be getting a reward.............. Doesn't clicker training already have the 'other' sound built in as the negative reinforcer (no treat).
So the sound of 'click' means treat. The sound of silence means no treat.
This has been bothering me, and led me to spend the last few days doing a lot of research. After extensive discussions with my current professor, the use of a two toned clicker to indicate good and bad can fall into a lot of categories. The sound of the click only indicates the positive or negative reinforcement is available. Reinforcement is something that increases a behavior. Positive reinforcement increases a behavior by adding something to the sequence, (i.e. a treat for sitting to increase the sit behavior). Negative reinforcement increases a behavior by taking something away (i.e. taking the treat away when dog stands to increase sit behavior).Quote: And you may want to make sure of your terms (though I may be reading your post wrong, go figure) as far as 'negative reinforcement'.
I will look in to this and see what I can find...I might have to concoct something on my own.Quote:If you still need a different sound, there are a bunch of different clickers on the market right now with entirely different sounds our dogs would soon figure out.
It would most likely be the absence of a treat. We'll see though. I will let everyone know if I actually find a clicker like this though.Quote: How would you go about teaching the negative reinforcement? I know with regular clicker training you just give a treat so would it be as simple as taking one away?