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Prevent Parvo and Distemper Without Vaccination | Dogs Naturally Magazine

What do you guys think about this article?

I am all for following a limited vaccination schedule, and doing titers, but this article is suggesting you purposely try to expose your puppies to parvo & distemper by taking them to ponds that raccoons are known to frequent.

It's also saying that pups have higher survival rates when treated with homeopathic medicine than conventional medicine. Which is fine and dandy, but is it not better to prevent it, rather than treat it?

Considering the high mortality rate of the diseases, and the fact that the AVMA published a journal stating that 95%+ and 97%+ of dogs vaccinated have lifelong immunity, it seems silly to take the risk?

Thoughts?

When I expressed my disapproval to the article on the FB group, my comments were deleted and I was banned. :confused: Am I the only one who think this article is putting dangerous ideas into people's heads?
 

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I agree with you i think there's a lot in that magazine I like but some stuff is just wacky an off the wall
 

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i find it amusing that so many shun the so called big pharma in favor of natural treatments when natural treatments cost way more than conventional medications
i looked up parvaid once and it is very expensive plus you have to wait for it to arrive when everyone knows every second counts when treating parvo

people will always buy dangerous ideas like this because they sound so convincing and they are already convinced vets are evil and cause disease just so they can have clients
strange ideas at the very least :cool:
 

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I just think it's so dangerous to give out that advice. And the fact that anyone who disagrees with banned is just nuts. So anyone reading their FB page and seeing all the glowing comments, just keep in mind they delete the negative reviews and ban the people who posted them.

Two thumbs down for DN for me. :(

The first time they posted the article (which garnered overwhelmingly negative feedback - the whole link ended up being deleted) I sent the link to Dr Jean Dobbs' assistant. She said they had just received it from someone else and Dr Dobbs was unsure about whether or she should respond to it in her blog. I wish she had, someone should.
 

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I agree with Nancy, some of their stuff makes sense but other stuff like this article just has me shaking my head. No thank you, I would never consider not vaccinating my puppy and then deliberately try to make them sick with something that can kill them

Oh wait, because it's natural that makes it better, yeah try telling that to me when I'm walking out of their office after my 12 week old puppy just died. I'm going to feel so much better that I didn't poison my dog with that vaccine before they died...

If my vet told me to do that, I’d be walking out seconds afterwards. Wacky stuff, seriously. Do I vaccinate every year? Heck no and I do agree that over vaccinating can cause serious problem. I'm not willing to bet those odds, but if a doctor like Dr. Dodd's who has spent decades researching vaccines says to give the puppy series and my vet who I do trust agrees with her then that's what I'll do. Minimized risk
 

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I completely agree - I LOVE a lot of the articles in Dogs Naturally, but this one sticks out to me as being one that can cause some serious problems with people who see the article, think "well its in a magazine"...then go out and follow it without a second thought.

I keep up with Dr. Dodd's protocols and follow her blog. She has a very limited puppy protocol with vaccines that I trust and follow, so I will continue to do so.
 

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They also have an article on "leptomania" that I also think irresponsible and off the wall and claims vaccines don't even work. This is from another site but I think I first saw it there and this Dr Jordan is fequently cited on Dogs Naturally.

LEPTOMANIA - THE PROBLEM WITH LEPTOSPIROSIS VACCINE, by Patricia Jordan, DVM

I have not given the lepto shots and my decision is supported by another article that makes more sense to me...but it is a tough call.

This vet (link below) actually is NOT against vaccines, even not against giving a lepto vaccine but has some info to consider. I know when I read the Pfizer study my jaw dropped at just how limited it was and you can't even see the Merial study. (I was going to do the shot this year but her dog had a reaction to the Merial vaccine which has no adjuvant)

Is One Vaccine Dose Size Right For All Dogs ?
 

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realizing there is a risk no matter what you do.

this exactly
nobody is going to live forever and neither are our pets
we do the best for them while we have them and we do the best for ourselves
but just because it is natural doesn't mean it is safe
 

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I am on my 4th litter of UNVACCINATED Chinese Cresteds. They get nothing until they reach 1 yr of age and then only Rabies.

We run an all-breed lure coursing club on our property and can have upwards of 100 dogs on our property each weekend. I have no requirements for vaccinations for dogs coming here.

As long as the weather is ok, my Crested puppies are out in the same area as all those dogs. I believe in exposing them to things so they can build their own immunities - naturally.

But I also believe they need to have a natural diet to help support their immune system.

I have had Parvo here once. We had to get a kennel license when we moved here in order to make our 6 dogs legal. Now, every year the come and inspect our 'kennel' (the house) and check the dogs. I had 6 week old puppies at the time and I asked the inspector to come to my place BEFORE he went anywhere else. 6 days after he was here my puppies presented with Parvo. Turns out he went to another kennel first. :(

Of the 4 puppies, one never got sick, 2 got sick but recovered within a couple days and the last puppy was very sick but recovered after about 7 days. I used Colloidal Silver enemas in addition to the Parvaid (which they ship next day) and sub-q fluids (given at home).

Having lost a dog to an immune system disorder brought on by over vaccinating I decided to my research and follow the plan I have going now. One of the puppies from my last litter was just placed in a home at 7 months of age. Her owners wanted to vaccinate her but instead I am paying for them to do titers on her to see where her immunities are and THEN decide if she needs anything.
 

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you do realize that many or most people use vaccines and can say their dogs have never been sick either?
do what works by all means but your way is not the only way
my own dogs have had puppy vaccines and then yearly vaccines until protocols changed to every three years and none of them have been sick either
 

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Ok, but Lauri, someone exposed your pups to the virus, so they didn't have immunity, right? Not trying to argue, to each their own, but I'm saying, nobody knows where their pups are going to be exposed to a virus, which is why the vaccinations are so important.

Just a general question for the population - how does anyone prove their dog's health problems are related to having been vaccinated? People seem to say, my dog was vaccinated and it ended up getting cancer. or some other condition it develops. What's to say it was from the vaccine? Is there a way to find out?
 

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i find it amusing that so many shun the so called big pharma in favor of natural treatments when natural treatments cost way more than conventional medications
i looked up parvaid once and it is very expensive plus you have to wait for it to arrive when everyone knows every second counts when treating parvo

people will always buy dangerous ideas like this because they sound so convincing and they are already convinced vets are evil and cause disease just so they can have clients
strange ideas at the very least :cool:
Isn't that the truth...supplements bring in big dollars for these companies. And it's been shown that a lot of times you don't even get what you pay for with supplements :rolleyes:
 

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Ok, but Lauri, someone exposed your pups to the virus, so they didn't have immunity, right? Not trying to argue, to each their own, but I'm saying, nobody knows where their pups are going to be exposed to a virus, which is why the vaccinations are so important.
i also could not help but notice that natural immunity must not be all that great if you rely on it and your non vaccinated pups get exposed and they then become ill

there's been instances of adult dogs that were never vaccinated that become ill with these deadly diseases

so relying on natural immunity through deliberately or even non deliberately exposing them to illnesses is no guarantee they will be immune

there is such a thing as herd immunity and people really need to understand how that works before making decisions about vaccines

as to parvaid arriving the next day
even 24 hours without treatment can kill a puppy very quickly as you are then behind the 8 ball and e coli bacteria are flooding the bloodstream
 

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Lauri - I think that is amazing, and I love hearing someone having so much success with no vaccines. I am extremely limited protocol, my pups receive one vaccine before leaving the breeder and one at 16 weeks, just parvo and distemper. Then Rabies only as required for travel, there is no law here requiring it.

For me, what I was saying about the article, was I would not "Not" vaccinate my puppy then purposely bring the puppy to areas where I know dogs/critters with parvo run rampant, what an unneccesary risk.

But I would continue to bring my dog to training classes, dog shows etc. I am sure that the puppy can still be exposed to parvo there, but I am not trying to find a sick dog and stick my puppy right next to it, or offer to puppy sit LOL
 

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After reading the article I wouldn't pay any attention to anything in this magazine. And when you read the comments it gets even scarier. Some of the ads are also interesting and explains how come it gets recommended on here ;)

Why anyone would not vaccinate their puppies/dogs and then expose them on purpose to parvo/distemper is beyond me. I had to deal with parvo when Nikki was just nine weeks old and I felt like someone was ripping my heart out when I found out she tested positive...don't wish this on anyone :( Not sure how many people can afford $900 per day for max of ten days to try and save a puppy because that was the quote I was given.

Not vaccinating a puppy for these horrible diseases IMO is neglect.

my boy diesel's post says it all :thumbup: If everyone started to skip vaccines we would see many more dogs getting sick.
 

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What is the take on those who are opposed to vaccinations on the recent outbreaks of measles? The same claim as has been made with polio and smallpox (that the disease just died out on its own?) So many who don't vaccinate benefit from herd immunity until there is a chink in the armor.

I had the measles as a child (no shots then but at least we had polio immunizations) and remember being very very sick. I also had the best of medical care at the time and a mother who hovered over me keeping me cool, making me wear sunglasses in the house, keeping down noise.......I know others who suffered brain damage from high fevers, vision issues, deafness, and a great uncle who even died from them.

I really DO believe vaccines are risky business and veterinary pharmaceuticals, in particular, do not receive adequate oversight (though human pharmaceuticals are not lagging far these days) ... I also wonder about vaccinating for everything under the sun, but it has always been a risk/benefit situation.

I like the magazine. I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle, though. It is good to challenge the paradigms on which these decisions are made.
 

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I think limited vaccinations of core vaccines IS challenging the norms though, is it not, as opposed to vaccinating for everything under the sun, every year?

With the measles outbreak, people on the DN FB page were arguing with me when I brought it up that measles isn't such a big deal. I'm sorry, I think it is a big deal, it's a very serious illness. Then they compare it to chickenpox, which is much less severe, but yet, it almost killed my younger sister when she was 6 years old. She's immunosuppressed and my older sister brought it home. My younger sister had lesions on her liver, down her throat, it was awful.

I don't get the flu shot, I think there are too many strains for it to be of much use, but for life threatening viruses that have a one time, highly effective vaccine available, why would you not do it?

People talk about the long term effects of vaccine reactions, what about the long term effects of distemper, assuming you manage to keep your pup alive, that is. It seems reckless to encourage people to try this, I was actually quite upset about the article.
 

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The measles was a big deal it's a killer and anybody who doesn't think that has no experience with them. Distemper parvo and rabies are also killers and not something I'm going to take a risk with. By the same token immunity is immunity. Sometimes a set of shots does not confer immunity and a titer is going to let you know if that actually happened. Edit..darn you autocorrect.
 

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I do as little vaccines as possible. I picked up a stray one time that ended up having parvo and I was more then relieved that none of my own dogs(3 of them at the time) got it and I felt guilty for subjecting them to that and relieved they had those shots. Midnite came from the shelter with kennel cough and all my dogs except the oldest senior dog got it . I still won't get them the bordatella shot.
 
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