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There is no MIGHT have seen bad things when it comes to the rescue world. I see EVERYDAY the horrible things people do to dogs, I can show you pictures, introduce you to dogs damaged by said people, and tell you stories I saw first hand.

Many times damage to the dogs comes from people with good intentions, the people who take in too many dogs b/c they feel sorry for them and love them but don't know when to stop and can't handle them financially or medically or just basic socialization and handling. They can be individual citizens or rescue's...<u>no one is above question</u>. And there are things worse than death for dogs, if you don't believe that, take a look at any number of pictures on DogsDeserveBetter's website or google Michael Vick...all real stories and real dogs!

I have been to countless home visits of people who SOUNDED great and said all the right things only to go to their house and they be nothing they said they were. I have been to a home to adopt a dog and found a lab chained and penned outside that they never mentioned...I would have never known and my foster would have ended up in that same pen had I not asked more questions and demanded a home visit. That family not only didn't get my dog, they signed the other unwanted dog over to me and I went home with her.

It is very naive for anyone to think that everyone who is trying to help dogs should be trusted and helped with no questions. There are nasty people out there in this internet world, who can be anyone they want to be on the computer. There are also well meaning people who don't know the first thing about rescue who will criticize and get defensive when people who do this every day ask what should be simple questions. I'm sorry if anyone thinks this is jaded...but its reality. I still think most people are good hearted and mean well, but I still am going to ask people questions before working with them and I expect them to do the same of me.

Rhaya's post is about being careful and knowing who you are helping and where that dog is going...it is well thought out and important guidelines everyone should be following.

Many people know each other off the board and have worked together and are already vetted so they can appear to be working together and helping each other without questions...but no one should be offended if anyone asks who they are or what rescue they work for. If we all have the dog's best interest at heart and not our own feelings or ego then everyone should be open for questions and <u>hopefully</u> everyone asking is asking in a respectful way, as they should.
 

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Great explanation pupresq (we were posting at the same time, LOL)! I'm sure you won't mind me sharing this...but the first time I worked with her she asked for my references and I asked for hers, even though we publicly work with known rescues....its just a smart practice.
 

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Yours too! I think you're exactly right - anyone who is checking quickly discovers how important checking really is. It is reality - there are an awful lot of bad situations out there for dogs and cats to wind up in, and, sadly, there are well meaning people sometimes responsible for putting them there.

And yes! I do not mind you sharing, as it's exactly what should be happening - you and I had been quite friendly and chatty on the board for a long time, but the first time we actually were going to work on a dog together we swapped references and info. No offense taken! That's how it should be.
 

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Even though I am the current president of a fairly large, fairly well known rescue group, I just got checked out when I offered to do a home visit for a dog who was in NJ who was being adopted in VA.

Did I mind? Not a bit!

I too have seen first hand, (far too many times) of what can happen to these poor creatures who depend on us get them to a better life.

We owe it to these dogs to make sure than nothing bad happens to them again once they are in our care.
 

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I have no idea why someone who is pulling dogs from shelters would not want to make everything open and provide references, home visits from other reputable rescues. There are so many situations exposed on almost a daily basis of hoarding, selling dogs that were rescued, etc. that it would seem readily apparent why people who would to know where dogs are going and to check references.

When I "adopted" my Allie, I had two home visits from the person I got her from, a joint visit to my vet with the person and continued follow up. I was not offended but rather glad that Allie's guardian was so protective.

We have to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves and ensure that we are doing our best to protect them.

I readily admit I cannot afford to do rescue nor am I situated to even go to shelters due to physical limitations. However, that does not stop me from being concerned and caring for the animals.

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Originally Posted By: Tess Phila PA While you MIGHT, and I say might because I will bet most of you have not seen any such thing first hand, have seen some bad things aren't you perpetuating it by refusing to see the many many many good things?
The problem with this is that if you don't take precautions, and no matter how many wonderful things have happened, you're still dealing with a life. One mistake in judgment can lead to years of suffering for a dog. While the chances of it happening are slim in most cases, not many people are willing to take that chance.
 

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And I think the other question that needs to be asked to prove the importance of the question of where is that dog going is...

Where did that dog come from?

Because each of these dogs came from somewhere. And could end up back in a shelter or awful situation again if careful screening is not employed.
 

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An "older" headline-a little less than a month ago.

Do you know where you are sending dogs?

Quote:HOARDER EMERGENCY IN COLUMBIA, KY - MORE THAN 300 ANIMALS AND WE NEED HELP

On Friday 2/20 Clean Slate <u>Animal Rescue </u>in Columbia was raided. An estimated more than 300 dogs, cats, and farm animals were in danger of euthanization by the county. UR_KY had been investigating this rescue as well. It appears to be a situation where a rescuer went over the line into hoarding. Most of the animals have mange or other injuries and illnesses.
http://www.urky.org/Emergencies_.html
 

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Another rescue: Pendragwn Chow Chow Rescue

http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/Animal-cruelty-charges-to-be-filed/Fiz_5g_AqkSOe2NTkNGFBw.cspx

Quote:The Humane League says people have been complaining of lots of barking and horrible smells coming from the home, but didn't have enough information to issue a search warrant, until now.

The Humane League of Lancaster County has been working non stop since yesterday's rescue to find homes for these dogs, some were in such bad shape they had to be euthanized. The League calls this a very sad situation - especially because the woman caring for these animals loved the dogs but took in too many and became overwhelmed.

92 dogs were rescued from the East Lampeter Township home Tuesday afternoon from what the humane league calls deplorable conditions, two of the animals were found dead.

Kerry Flanagan, V.P. of Operations
“It was a very upsetting scene, dogs in crates stacked two high. There was fecal matter built up in some areas a few feet deep. The smell was overwhelming when you walked in it hit you like a wall.”

The victims were all chows and chow-mixes ranging from puppies to seniors. The dogs were transported Tuesday night to the Humane League, some doubled up in cages, some laying still - emotionally and physically broken. One dog had two broken legs. His buddy next door suffers from mange, a parasitic infestation of the skin. He's also emaciated and starved.

The Humane League says the neglect was unintentional by the rescue organization Pendragon Chow Chow Rescue operated by Terri Roby.

“This is just somebody whose love for animals got out of control...”

CBS 21 News could not get in touch with Roby but we spoke to a source close to the situation who says Terri is a great person who just couldn't say no. She was getting calls from shelters across the country begging for help in finding homes for these dogs. The situation got out of control.

Flanagan:
“She was very upset she was very apologetic and we were very sad at the situation. We think her heart was absolutely in the right place.”

It's unclear how long all 90 of the dogs had been living in the home but the Humane League says the dead dogs had been decaying--clearly laying there for some time. The Humane League says animal cruelty charges are expected to be filed next week as well as a charge of operating an illegal kennel.
Breaks my heart that these extremely clean, wonderful dogs with such intelligence were in these conditions.


Ask yourself this BEFORE you help someone here get a dog-do you know how many dogs they have? Has anyone been there? Do you get frequent follow ups? How many dogs have they pulled? Where are those dogs? Just because it looks like people are sending someone dogs - have you checked them out yourself?

Do you know where that dog is going? That is the difference between a dog being truly rescued, and a dog just being sent from possible death to a living death.

I hope people read and really GET this thread. I really do.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5cclLewYk&feature=channel_page</span></span>

And it doesn't have to be that bad to be bad enough.
 

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Is there a references section anywhere on this site? A list of people's user names, and a place to rate or comment about actual personal dealings with this person? Their experience, references, etc? Wouldn't that be a good idea, if it doesn't already exist?
 

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Not GSDs, but...

Quote:DEARBORN, Mich. — Police on Friday found about 150 dead dogs packed in freezers in the basement of a Michigan house littered with feces and trash where more than 110 live dogs, mostly Chihuahuas, were rescued this week.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/150-dogs-found-dead-in-fr_n_244614.html

Who knows if they just kept breeding or if he got them from places, but...again a cautionary tale and why sending dogs to people and rescues that haven't been home checked and thoroughly checked out is so dangerous.

On the side of one article:
Quote: June 2009: Royal Oak police seized 33 dogs from a warehouse in Royal Oak that a Birmingham woman operated as the Itsy Bitsy Dog Rescue.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090724/NE...heal-at-shelter

And that:
http://www.freep.com/article/20090710/NEWS03/90710022/17-dogs-from-warehouse-get-new-homes

 

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Dogs seized at Salina "rescue shelter"
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/dogs_seized_at_salina_rescue_s.html
By Charles McChesney / The Post-Standard

October 06, 2009, 10:30PM



Three of the 31 dogs seized from Mallory Paetow of 115 Pinkerton St. look at a visitor to the SPCA.


Salina, NY - Thirty-one dogs and puppies were taken from a Salina home this evening. Eight have already been euthanized by the CNY SPCA because they were too ill to be saved.
Paul Morgan, head of the SPCA said he and two other animal cruelty officers went to the home of Mallory Paetow, 24, at 115 Pinkerton St. and found the dogs caged in the basement.
Morgan said Paetow told him she had sold some 125 to 150 dogs in the last year.

"Basically, she was running a kennel," he said.

Paetow was charged with three misdemeanors under state agriculture laws. She's charged with failing to provide proper shelter, food or medical care for the animals.

The dogs, from month-old puppies to dogs as old as 1 1/2 years were to be evaluated by veterinarians, Morgan said. None of the dogs would be available for adoption immediately, Morgan said.


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Prior to the seizure an email warning had been issued, but not soon enough for the dogs in her care, or the 125-150 dogs sold to non-screened buyers in the past year.

Quote: We have received bad feedback on this rescue in Liverpool NY. Reports include more than 50 pups held in an unfinished basement (seen first hand); selling pups on site at Home Depot and listing them on craigslist; reports of bad holding conditions in her home. Her site says dogs leave there s/n, unless they are too young (and it appears she only pulls puppies). It does say she uses a voucher system. She pulled 35 or so puppies out of KY shelters in the last week or so. PLEASE, IF YOU ARE A SHELTER SENDING TO HER, THINK TWICE. GET VET REFERENCES. TALK TO RESCUES IN HER AREA. We could not find her registration as an animal rescue. This does not mean she has ill intent. She may just be a novice. BUT that does not excuse selling puppies on the spot at Home Depot or on craigslist. Please be careful.
I am not sure how she got to use the NYS Ag vouchers...
 

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No idea if she adopted or purchased these animals but she got them from somewhere (in addition to neighbors' pets possibly):

Quote: L.I. Pet Abuse Suspect Ran "Animal Concentration Camp" The Long Island woman suspected of torturing and killing about 20 dogs before burying them in her backyard forced her children to take part in her animal "concentration camp," according to her son. "It was a concentration camp for the animals," Doug McDonough, the eldest of suspect Sharon McDonough's seven children, told WCBS. "My sisters and me, we got the end of it, too." Doug — who tipped off the animal rescue TV show Rescue Ink, which in turn alerted the Suffolk County SPCA — told the Post that the abuse would begin shortly after his 43-year-old mother brought a pet into her Selden home. "She would buy the dog, treat it like it was the greatest dog in the world for a few days, then they would sit in the cage until she decided to kill them. It was a power trip."

In what the Suffolk County SPCA chief considers one of the worst cases of animal abuse that he has scene in 25 years, investigators have already unearthed the remains of almost two dozen dogs from the backyard, and discovered a shepherd mix, a beagle mix, an Italian greyhound, a cocker mix, a pug, and a cat living in deplorable conditions inside.
http://gothamist.com/2009/11/09/long_island_pet_cemetery_was_an_ani.php
 

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http://www.wkrg.com/raw_news/article/hum...8-2010_2-42-pm/

Quote: Humane Society Rescues 100 Dogs From Hayden Home
WKRG.com


by (AP) HAYDEN, Ala.
Published: Fri, January 08, 2010 - 1:20 pm CST Last Updated: Fri, January 08, 2010 - 2:42 pm CST
56 Views |Short URL: http://wkrg.com/628913

Hayden, Alabama - Officials have rescued more than 100 dogs from a Hayden home where they were being kept in cramped and dirty conditions without protection from freezing temperatures.

Scotlund Haisley tells the Huntsville Times in a Friday story that he's relieved to know the dogs are starting out 2010 "on the road to becoming cherished family members."

Haisley is senior director of Emergency Services for the national Humane Society.

The property owner had rescued the dogs and attempted to adopt them out, but became overwhelmed and did not have the proper resources to care for the canines.

The Humane Society is removing the animals and housing them at an emergency shelter set up in a vacant part of the Greater Birmingham Humane Society.

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Information from: The Huntsville Times, http://www.al.com/huntsville
More: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hayden%2C+alabama+100+dogs&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
 

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Jean these posts just anger me so much, I cannot believe what people do to animals, sick sick people.
I cannot stress enough how important it is to check people out thoroughly-not just to send animal after animal to people that come on here claiming to be a good rescue. Especially in light of the email I recieved this past week about a "rescuer" (which has not been the first email about that "rescue") thank God I trust my gut instincts when I feel something just "isnt right", its proved to be true.
 

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Another one. I saw them post all the time on Craigslist:

Quote:Authorities seize 31 dogs from Oak Creek shelter

By The Associated Press

Posted: Jan. 9, 2010

More than 30 Jack Russell Terriers have been removed from an Oak Creek animal shelter where authorities say the dogs were mistreated.

Oak Creek police acting on an anonymous tip responded to First Friends Animal Rescue. They allegedly found dogs with open sores and filthy fur.

The 31 dogs were taken to Milwaukee Area Domestic Animal Control Commission.

The director there is Melanie Sobel. She tells WTMJ the dogs lapped up food and water as though they hadn't been fed for a long time. She says many had sores on their paws and fur soaked in urine.

A message left Saturday with First Friends Animal Rescue was not immediately returned.

Oak Creek police say they're seeking charges that include mistreatment of animals.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/81074577.html
 

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Quote:Dead animals lead to arrest of Wolcott man and woman on animal cruelty charges
By Charley Hannagan / The Post-Standard
January 15, 2010, 6:56AM

Wolcott, NY -- New York State Police accused a man and woman Thursday of cruelty to animals after investigators found three dead animals and more than a dozen animals that were dehydrated, underfed and suffering from intestinal parasites at their Wolcott home and property.

State police accused David L. Swan, 62, and Virginia E. Swan, 36, of 11580 Ridge Road, Wolcott, of eight counts of misdemeanor cruelty to animals and one count of endangering the welfare of a child.

The investigation began after state police received a report of a horse in poor condition.

State police and the Wayne County Animal Cruelty investigators found one of two horses on the property was emaciated. One of the barns contained a dead goat and dead duck.

Two dogs in a barn suffered from extreme emaciation and dehydration, and a third dog found in a kennel behind the barn was emaciated and dehydrated too.

The occupants of the trailer home denied investigators access. After getting a search warrant, investigators said they found a home with floors covered in animal feces and infested with cockroaches.

They also found 11 dogs and two cats inside the trailer suffering from various levels of neglect. Another dog was found dead in an old dog food bag stored in a bedroom.

Despite medical efforts, one dog died 12 hours after it was removed.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/dead_animals_lead_to_arrest_of.html

Phone screening won't catch that.
 

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I am never afraid to give folks my info My vets Number , my rescue references,personel references, even talk to my neighbors. I helped get cindy and doug (and little oliver) out of douglasville GA Even though the GSD's went to a rescue I work for. I sent the people who helped pull Cindy the spay info. That way folks know I follow through The one rescue I work for redid HV and references on me because I had not fostered for them in a while and moved to a new address. Folks from rescue had been to the house but new info had to be obtained I said bring it on :):) I am never afraid to let anyone check my references I would be more upset if they did not.
 
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