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Hi all, hopefully someone can help me. I have a male gsd puppy who just turned 4 months last May 17. Got him exactly 30 days ago from a breeder.

Breeder used to give him RC maxi junior. However due to its non-availability in our area, I decided to give him Acana puppy large breed. Since then, he's been having diarrhea. When I finally got a sack of RC, his poop turned from watery to soft. I can say it was solid but not firm enough. Just today, his poop again became watery though with a little soft part.

If you'd ask about the quantity, I'm giving him 300g/day or 100g per meal 3x a day. DRY.

Puppy is VERY energetic. Appetite is ok. seems underweight though.

The color of his poop is like mashed kibbles except that it looks like I put too much water.

I already brought him to the vet, who however did not find anything alarming.
Was advised to give him scour for 5 days. During that 5 days, his poop were soft but not watery. Days after administering scour, his poop again started becoming on/off watery.

I hope someone can help me figure this out. Thanks in advance.
 

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Oh. Now I wonder why he didn't do that. Neither did the 2 other vets I spoke with over the phone advised about doing the same. Will do it ASAP. Possibly a worm issue? His next deworming is scheduled on June 13 if that helps. Or overfeeding? As i said though? He seems underweight.
 

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There are numerous bacterias and viruses that can cause long term diarrhea, not just worms or regular digestive issues. That's why I mentioned the fecal analysis. I would think a vet, after this kind of timeline dealing with watery stools, would want to figure out what's causing it.

ETA: Diarrhea can certainly affect nutrition absorption, so that could explain the weight.
 

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Hi all, hopefully someone can help me. I have a male gsd puppy who just turned 4 months last May 17. Got him exactly 30 days ago from a breeder.

Breeder used to give him RC maxi junior. However due to its non-availability in our area, I decided to give him Acana puppy large breed. Since then, he's been having diarrhea. When I finally got a sack of RC, his poop turned from watery to soft. I can say it was solid but not firm enough. Just today, his poop again became watery though with a little soft part.

If you'd ask about the quantity, I'm giving him 300g/day or 100g per meal 3x a day. DRY.

Puppy is VERY energetic. Appetite is ok. seems underweight though.

The color of his poop is like mashed kibbles except that it looks like I put too much water.

I already brought him to the vet, who however did not find anything alarming.
Was advised to give him scour for 5 days. During that 5 days, his poop were soft but not watery. Days after administering scour, his poop again started becoming on/off watery.

I hope someone can help me figure this out. Thanks in advance.
What do you mean by "put too much water?" Do you add water to his food? If so, don't. I don't think that will solve the problem but you don't need to add water to his food. Also, I may be mistaken but isn't Acana one of the brands that recently had a recall? I know a lot of people here look down on Royal Canin but since you can buy that maybe you should stick to it. Can you get Royal Canin German Shepherd Puppy formula? If you can't, ask the store to get it for you since they already provide Royal Canin. Also, if you can, buy some canned pumpkin. That will firm up the poop. My breeder told me that works and also I've read it elsewhere. Can you find Victor or Fromm's brand dog foods? Those 2 brands are currently 2 of some of the best dog foods available. Anyway, that's some suggestions for you.
 

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There are numerous bacterias and viruses that can cause long term diarrhea, not just worms or regular digestive issues. That's why I mentioned the fecal analysis. I would think a vet, after this kind of timeline dealing with watery stools, would want to figure out what's causing it.

ETA: Diarrhea can certainly affect nutrition absorption, so that could explain the weight.
Thank you! Will have to ask him then. Just got a text message from him asking me to have xray just to check if he swallowed anything. Could it be possible that he indeed swallowed something a month ago and until now, he seems to be doing fine other than the diarrhea? Well, i suppose something more terrible would have already happened if that's indeed the case. But I'm not sure.
 

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Hi all, hopefully someone can help me. I have a male gsd puppy who just turned 4 months last May 17. Got him exactly 30 days ago from a breeder.

Breeder used to give him RC maxi junior. However due to its non-availability in our area, I decided to give him Acana puppy large breed. Since then, he's been having diarrhea. When I finally got a sack of RC, his poop turned from watery to soft. I can say it was solid but not firm enough. Just today, his poop again became watery though with a little soft part.

If you'd ask about the quantity, I'm giving him 300g/day or 100g per meal 3x a day. DRY.

Puppy is VERY energetic. Appetite is ok. seems underweight though.

The color of his poop is like mashed kibbles except that it looks like I put too much water.

I already brought him to the vet, who however did not find anything alarming.
Was advised to give him scour for 5 days. During that 5 days, his poop were soft but not watery. Days after administering scour, his poop again started becoming on/off watery.

I hope someone can help me figure this out. Thanks in advance.
What do you mean by "put too much water?" Do you add water to his food? If so, don't. I don't think that will solve the problem but you don't need to add water to his food. Also, I may be mistaken but isn't Acana one of the brands that recently had a recall? I know a lot of people here look down on Royal Canin but since you can buy that maybe you should stick to it. Can you get Royal Canin German Shepherd Puppy formula? If you can't, ask the store to get it for you since they already provide Royal Canin. Also, if you can, buy some canned pumpkin. That will firm up the poop. My breeder told me that works and also I've read it elsewhere. Can you find Victor or Fromm's brand dog foods? Those 2 brands are currently 2 of some of the best dog foods available. Anyway, that's some suggestions for you.
Hi. Not sure about the Acana. I heard though that they're now facing a lawsuit, which many claims to be baseless. I tried asking for the RC for GSD but that's not available here. I'm also trying to look for that FROMM brand. But i dont think anyone sells that here in the Philippines. Never heard of Victor. I'm sure that does not exist here. We only have GO and Taste of the Wild. Do you think it's the dog food?
 

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Acana has a high protein and fat content. I was advised not to use it by a vet. Have them check for Giardia. The vet should have done a fecal. For chronic diarrhea our vet prescribes Metronidazole. That gets rid of Giardia if it’s there, but also other bacteria. Use a probiotic.
 

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Hi. Not sure about the Acana. I heard though that they're now facing a lawsuit, which many claims to be baseless. I tried asking for the RC for GSD but that's not available here. I'm also trying to look for that FROMM brand. But i dont think anyone sells that here in the Philippines. Never heard of Victor. I'm sure that does not exist here. We only have GO and Taste of the Wild. Do you think it's the dog food?
Oh, you're not even in North America. You're in the Philippines. That may explain the vet problems and the choices of dog food. With my previous GSD, I fed him a 50/50 mix of Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream and Royal Canin German Shepherd. He did really well on that mix for almost 12 years even when he had EPI. I don't know if it's a food problem or that your pup has worms or bacteria like others said. Maybe if you can find another vet. Sometimes you have to get a 3rd or 4th opinion. However, since you're in the 'Pines, I don't know if you can find quality vets. Oh, and don't change foods so fast. It has to be a gradual change. As far as the food is concerned, your store is probably importing the foods from the States or Canada. Maybe when the food is being shipped, it isn't kept in cool containers? I don't know. Just hypothesizing. Do you check the expiration dates on the bags of food? Are you giving the pup other foods that he shouldn't be eating?
 

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I did a fair share of reading, and it looks like yes, a foreign body in a dog's stomach can be in there for weeks or months, and it can cause diarrhea. Not diagnosing by any means, but an x-ray can't hurt.
 

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This is a long shot, is your puppy's drinking water safe and free from contaminants? Does he drink from puddles and unsafe sources of water when playing?
 

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Thanks for all the replies.

So after calling my vet and receiving some ridiculous advice, I decided not to go and just scheduled a visit to another vet this weekend. Long story, which you shouldnt be bothered with.

Coincidentally, the new pack of RC which I ordered didnt arrive and so, I was forced to give him the older Acana (had to do the transition to Acana in just 4 meals).

He's been having 50g acana puppy now and 100g white rice per meal, 3x a day now for the last 4 meals.

Quite amazed with the results. For the first time in 1 month/since I got him, he finally had that firm stool i've been looking for. No soft part. Everything was just firm. I might stick with it.

This must be unrelated with the title:

I'm feeding him 150g acana and 300g white rice per day now which (for the acana) is half the recommended amount of 300g per day. I intend to gradually increase the acana to the recommended amount. Might be +15g per day. Wont he be having nutritional deficiency if I feed him less than the recommended amount for quite a while? 10 days at the most.
 

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Just an update, i already brought him to the vet and found out that he had intestinal worms. He was also tested for heartworm which however turned out to be negative.

The VET gave him a dewormer although his next deworming schedule was supposedly due on June 13. He's also on his 2nd day of Metronidazole now.

Several hours after he was dewormed, he pooped that desirable firm stool. What a pleasant signt!! LOL. He never had a soft stool since then. How I wish I already went to this particular Vet since day 1.

Can't imagine I waited for almost a month for my dog's stool to firm up, which apparently was not bound to happen, if the deworming was not done.

Now I'm worried that 1 month weak nutrient absorption has done him permanent adverse effect like stunted growth or soft ears that will no longer be erect.

He's turning 5 months on June 17 and is yet to have erect ears. Both ears are floppy at this time.

What do you think?

Thank you!
 

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What do you mean by "put too much water?" Also, I may be mistaken but isn't Acana one of the brands that recently had a recall? I know a lot of people here look down on Royal Canin but since you can buy that maybe you should stick to it. Can you get Royal Canin German Shepherd Puppy formula? suggestions for you.

Acana never had a recall, its a lawsuit that may have zero merit to it.

As you said, In some countries people are limited on choice.

Royal Canine German Shepherd. Huge marketing move that works for them. The formulas are pretty much all the same on the breed specifics.

Here is an article from 2013 the Bulldog formula now has Bi products in it.


Breed Specific Nutrition? ? Truth about Pet Food
 

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I'm glad the deworming helped. You might have to deworm again in about 3 weeks, if there was a heavy worm load -- that's not uncommon. You might not need another vet visit for that as many vets allow clients to just pick up another dose of dewormer (or it can be purchased from a pharmacy/chemist).

For what it's worth, there's no reason to do a heartworm test on a pup under 6 months old: the antigen that turns the test kit positive isn't produced by the worms until the worms themselves are 6-7 months old. So the dog could have juvenile heartworms, but still producing a negative test result. As far as I know, heartworm testing should start at 1 year old (and may turn positive then, if the dog hasn't been on prevention but is in a high-heartworm area). It's VERY common to test pups at 6-7 months and get a negative result, but then get a positive result at 12 months -- this happens in rescue/shelter dogs in the southeastern U.S. very frequently. You can minimize the odds of that by using Advocate (Advantage Multi in the U.S.), which kills juvenile heartworms over a period of months and prevents new ones. It's prescribed by vets.

If your vet isn't familiar with the heartworm lifecycle, this website has excellent information in the education section for veterinarians:
https://www.heartwormsociety.org/
 

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Acana never had a recall, its a lawsuit that may have zero merit to it.

As you said, In some countries people are limited on choice.

Royal Canine German Shepherd. Huge marketing move that works for them. The formulas are pretty much all the same on the breed specifics.

Here is an article from 2013 the Bulldog formula now has Bi products in it.


Breed Specific Nutrition? ? Truth about Pet Food

I read it wrong, I thought he was feeding RC Maxi. What he said was his breeder was feeding it and he couldn't find it around him so he fed his pup Acana and that's what was giving his pup diarrhea. I get it...there are many like you who are very opinionated about dog food brands. What I was trying to convey to him was that if he could get RC Maxi, then why not RC GSD. You don't like breed specific dog food...great! However, if that's the best food you can buy in the area you live in, then those articles that you refer to are irrelevant. Btw, I fed mine a 50/50 mix with RC GSD for 11 years and my dog thrived on it. He was a picky eater and had EPI, and that was one of 2 foods he would eat. I tried a whole bunch until I found one he was excited to eat. My whole point is...he needs to find a food that works for his dog and him (budget wise). And if it is RC GSD, so be it. If he find other brands, even better.
 

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Now, I need to revive this thread.

I changed my pup's food to orijen large puppy and could say he did well for quite some time. Firm stools, and he was looking great. He was on his way to recover the weight he lost during his bouts of diarrhea until yesterday.

Unlike before, it's not watery but very soft. No signs of mucus or blood. Brought him to the vet and had his blood and stool checked. Results came out fine. No worms or other abnormalities other than the loose stool. Will try a fasting for 12 hrs then slowly introduce his food.

Now, the vet recommended a prescription diet that should be mixed with his current food. Just want to know your comments on this. Isnt it that these diets should be taken alone and not mixed with other food? Will he be taking this for the rest of his life?

No one knows as of now the exact reason of his soft stools. Im now thinking of switching him to raw diet.
 

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Are you sure you don't need to deworm again? Please see my post above about possibly needing to deworm again about 3 weeks after the previous dose--that's very, very common, esp. in young dogs. Did the vet check him for giardia? Try to start with the easy thing before going to the harder thing.



If you put him on a monthly medicine called Advocate, it will protect him against heartworms, and against the intestinal worms coming back. It also protects against lungworms, which are a problem in some parts of the Asia-Pacific region (and increasingly in the US too).
 

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Actually we just had him dewormed 1 and a half weeks ago. If it wont hurt deworming him again now, I'll do it. The vet however told me that there's no need. Not sure if he was checked for giardia. But he was already given metronidazole for a week which I suppose, would have already cured him had the loose stool been because of giardia. What do you think?
 

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Acana is a good food but have you considered a different brand of food altogether. Food allergies are not uncommon. Acana Puppy is chicken and fish based. It is possible if his fecals are clear that it is a food sensitivity to the protein source in the food. You might try a lamb based feed.
 
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