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Yesterday Cedar's eyes looked terrible. Her third eyelids were almost covering her eyes and they seemed really red. It didn't look good. Today they looked much, much better but I took her into the vet anyway and the vet told me she has pannus. The vet described it as an anti-inflammatory disease that causes what I saw. She said this might be the one and only time it ever flares us or it could be something I deal with the rest of Cedars life. She gave me some prednisone and said to put the drops in her eyes twice a day for a week. She said if her eyes get worse or if they don't get better in a week, bring her back in.

I explained I had some reservations about putting steroids in my dogs eyes after a diagnosis based on such a basic examination; however, she mentioned the steroids would only cause harm in the case of my dog having ulcers in her eyes, and there is no risk of permanent damage.

I don't usually doubt my vet, but I'm having concerns about this. Is simply looking into a dogs eyes a sure fire way of diagnosing pannus? If my dog has pannus, is prednisone the best treatment? If my dog doesn't have pannus, will prednisone hurt her eyes?

My vet didn't really explain to me how serious pannus is and left me with the impression that this really isn't a big deal, but now I see it can cause my dog to go blind, which has me concerned obviously.

I don't really know what to do here so I'm looking for some guidance from some of you that know a lot about this stuff or have been through it before.
 

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Okay, perhaps it's just me. Today the vet said Cedars eyes didn't look cloudy or foggy at all, but now when I look at them, they look very foggy to me. When I compare them to my other dogs eyes, they look clouded over. I'm just not sure if I'm seeing something that isn't there since I'm now paranoid about pannus.

I don't know what to do here. I've read through numerous threads on pannus and most people on this site seem to be using medications other than prednisone, which is the only thing that was given to me.

I just feel like I may not have been given the best advice or even perhaps a correct diagnosis. I am going to get a referral to a specialist, but in the meantime, I don't know if I should start this medication or not.
 

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Oh wow... I don't know what to say. My dog had Pannus. The vet looked in his eyes and knew what it was right away. The medicine we were given was not pred and once it has been diagnosed, I was told he had to be on it for life to prevent it from getting worse.
 

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We took Scarlett to a Veterinary Opthamologist for the dx of Pannus. We did start with Prednisone and lacrimor drops and once the inflammation went down, we stayed with just lacrimor. She has been on the drops since September and her eyes look perfectly normal now, except for some very minor clouding on one cornea.

If you have the ability to see a specialist, I would do it. You will be more comfortable with the diagnosis and you will have a treatment plan for life.

We have become experts at dog eye drop administering. At first, I DREADED doing that for the rest of her life, but it's so fast and easy now that I don't give it a second thought.
 

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We took Scarlett to a Veterinary Opthamologist for the dx of Pannus. We did start with Prednisone and lacrimor drops and once the inflammation went down, we stayed with just lacrimor. She has been on the drops since September and her eyes look perfectly normal now, except for some very minor clouding on one cornea.

If you have the ability to see a specialist, I would do it. You will be more comfortable with the diagnosis and you will have a treatment plan for life.

We have become experts at dog eye drop administering. At first, I DREADED doing that for the rest of her life, but it's so fast and easy now that I don't give it a second thought.
Okay, so the specialist you saw did start you with pred? That's a huge relief. At the very least it seems like I'm starting down the correct path, although my vet definitely didn't say anything about this being a life long issue. She made it sound like this would just go away and possibly never come back
 

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So my idiot vet gave me an ointment I'm supposed to apply to my dogs eyes. I have been fighting with my dog for 5 minutes now and there's simply no way I'm going to get this thing in my dogs eyes, not without risking serious injury to her eyes. I've had nothing but praise for my vet in the past, but this has left me very annoyed. They should have known that as I'm dealing with this for the first time I need to start with something in a liquid form first.

I'll have to spend more money getting something in liquid form tomorrow.

My vet truly knows nothing about pannus.
 

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Maybe it's the container that is freaking her out. Maybe put some of the ointment on a clean finger & try to apply. But I'm not sure if that's wise advice?
 

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Maybe it's the container that is freaking her out. Maybe put some of the ointment on a clean finger & try to apply. But I'm not sure if that's wise advice?
I did try that, but it didn't work either. She yanks away violently or slams her eyes shut and it just ends up everywhere but in her eye. I try to pull down the lower eye lid but this is next to impossible to do by myself. I'm giving up, this isn't going to work. The vet will just have to give me something in liquid form, because my dog isn't ready for ointment in her eyes and neither am I.

I generally like my vet, but as you can tell, I'm pretty stressed out about this and they've made things worse, not better.
 

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I'm sorry you're going through this. I have no experience with pannus, so I can't help there. But I did have to give my puppy eye meds last fall for allergies. I actually asked for the ointment, rather than the drops. I figured trying to keep his eyes open while I got the drops in would result in most of it landing on his muzzle and none in his eyes. This I got from having to put drops in my own eye - I always blink and miss! Lol. Try the clean finger technique again when you're not so stressed, just put a little more on that you know you need and smoosh it into the corner and gently push it across the closed eye and enough should get in there to work. Good luck! Rooting for ya :)
 

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Yes like blanket back said, go ahead and apply to closed eye, when he opens eye will spread across eye, that's how you have to do to children sometimes!
 

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They gave me eye ointment for Shadow as well. Can't remember the name of the stuff but IMO it is easier than trying to get drops in their eyes. My vet was awesome showing me how to do it. Put the ointment on your finger in a long line then the hold the eyelid and kind of roll it down into the eye. It's ok if it gets on the outside. At first I made a mess of it but we soon had it down so that Shadow wouldn't even pull away. He learned he always got a treat after so he learned to look forward to it. :)
 

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Prednisone eyedrops along with Cyclosporin drops are the usual treatment for Pannus. It is an autoimmune disease, which means the dog's immune response is over-reacting and attacking its own tissue. That is why Prednisone is used. The only time you wouldn't use prednisone is if there is an infection in the eyes due to a microorganism.

There is no cure for Pannus, but it is easy and relatively inexpensive to manage. My dog has it, I give her prednisone & cyclosporin eyedrops every other day, and the progression of the disease has pretty much halted. Yes, it is a lifelong treatment, but it is not painful and your dog will lead a normal life.

Once your dog gets used to the eyedrops, it's no big deal. I always do the drops right before feeding time, so she gets a "reward" every time we do it.
 

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I have an appointment with a specialist on May 1st. I talked to my vet again and she recommended I stick with Prednisone only for now. She said the initial course of treatment is prednisone by itself and only if needed will Cyclosporin by prescribed. I got the liquid drops too, so it should make it a bit easier to get in her eyes.
 

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Some dogs hate both drops and ointment and will fight it. There are some youtube videos about how to administer eye drops. They are very helpful. You can google it.

My dog was on prednisone and tacrolymus (less expensive than cyclosporin).

With treatment the dog can have a normal life.
 

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Some dogs hate both drops and ointment and will fight it. There are some youtube videos about how to administer eye drops. They are very helpful. You can google it.

My dog was on prednisone and tacrolymus (less expensive than cyclosporin).

With treatment the dog can have a normal life.
My dog fights both and hates both, but with the drops I can keep the dropper far away from her eye and let the drop fall in, which seems to ease her fear of being poked in the eye.

I just put the drops in and it's so much easier than the ointment.
 

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So my idiot vet gave me an ointment I'm supposed to apply to my dogs eyes. I have been fighting with my dog for 5 minutes now and there's simply no way I'm going to get this thing in my dogs eyes, not without risking serious injury to her eyes. I've had nothing but praise for my vet in the past, but this has left me very annoyed. They should have known that as I'm dealing with this for the first time I need to start with something in a liquid form first.

I'll have to spend more money getting something in liquid form tomorrow.

My vet truly knows nothing about pannus.

hey shaner...im going through the same crap trying to figure out what it is..its only in 1 eye for my dog...not sure what it is and i dunno..looks like pannus but isnt..tried different things that rnt helping.. but hope this helps u..

so the best way to do it..get the dog to come and sit...then what i do is i put my hand yes like the palm part on his eye and i pull it up...so even if he blinks or trys to close his eye its still open then place the tip on his lower eyelid and squeeze while u go across..no problems at all so far
 
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