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I'll try to be brief, but this is a bit of a long story. I have a wonderful GSD who is 6 years old. Putting it kindly, he is no einstein. He can be overly dominant with other dogs but is super friendly with people and great with kids. I've had him from 9 weeks, have always kept shepherds and he has fairly good obedience levels (9/10 at home, 7/10 outside!). He is neutered and very large.
I live with just him and my two-year-old daughter, and we all love each other very much.
6 weeks ago, i bought a kitten. I took it slow socialising them, and was really happy that the kitten turned out to be a very brave little chap and Ghost (my dog) was much calmer with him than i expected and wanted to give him lots of 'baths'. Within a fortnight they were napping together, going to bed together at night and drinking water together from the same bowl.
We live in the city, and there is a very big fox that lives in the abandoned garden next door. I did worry about the fox when deciding to get a kitten but the fox will never come in my garden because of Ghost and always detours around it.
In the last week i've been letting kitten out for a little while in the day, to get him used to it. Ghost always goes everywhere with him.
On wednesday i came home from work (i'd left the back door open at lunch-time) and my kitten was dead in the garden. He had been ripped in half. The back half was completely intact but the rest was in messy piles nearby.
This was by the fence to the 'fox' garden.
I am having such a hard time trying to imagine what happened here. I checked Ghost all over immediatly afterwards, he didn't have a speck of blood on him anywhere ( he is snow white and not very good with his personal hygeine either). Not a speck of blood or a scratch on him. Since this happened he has been very quiet, a bit listless and in the garden he paces the 'crime scene' constantly and whines. He has also tried to stop the baby from going out there, barking and pushing her towards the back door. (he has never done this before).
I really think that the fox did this, but i can't stop wondering if it could have been Ghost.
Everyone i know is either a dog fan ' there's no way your lovely dog did that', or a non-dog fan ' sorry, it was probably your big giant dog'.
I would desperately love some opinions from people who know shepherds (and possibly wildlife!).
I am not naive, i know that Ghost is physically capable of this, but could he bite something in half without getting any blood on him? and why all of a sudden when he's had so much opportunity before? Would a dog attack be this violent and messy? I know that fox kills are.
I know i'll never know, but i hate that even though i THINK it was the fox, i feel a bit differently about Ghost now.
Any opinions or shared experiences would be such a big help. x
 

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I would suspect the fox - if it could get through, the kitten might have been a big inducement...it does not sound like the dog would kill the kitten from his behavior with it or since...

Sorry poor kitty.....be at peace at the bridge....

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I agree with Lee,,so sorry :(
 

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I'll try to be brief, but this is a bit of a long story. I have a wonderful GSD who is 6 years old. Putting it kindly, he is no einstein. He can be overly dominant with other dogs but is super friendly with people and great with kids. I've had him from 9 weeks, have always kept shepherds and he has fairly good obedience levels (9/10 at home, 7/10 outside!). He is neutered and very large.
I live with just him and my two-year-old daughter, and we all love each other very much.
6 weeks ago, i bought a kitten. I took it slow socialising them, and was really happy that the kitten turned out to be a very brave little chap and Ghost (my dog) was much calmer with him than i expected and wanted to give him lots of 'baths'. Within a fortnight they were napping together, going to bed together at night and drinking water together from the same bowl.
We live in the city, and there is a very big fox that lives in the abandoned garden next door. I did worry about the fox when deciding to get a kitten but the fox will never come in my garden because of Ghost and always detours around it.
In the last week i've been letting kitten out for a little while in the day, to get him used to it. Ghost always goes everywhere with him.
On wednesday i came home from work (i'd left the back door open at lunch-time) and my kitten was dead in the garden. He had been ripped in half. The back half was completely intact but the rest was in messy piles nearby.
This was by the fence to the 'fox' garden.
I am having such a hard time trying to imagine what happened here. I checked Ghost all over immediatly afterwards, he didn't have a speck of blood on him anywhere ( he is snow white and not very good with his personal hygeine either). Not a speck of blood or a scratch on him. Since this happened he has been very quiet, a bit listless and in the garden he paces the 'crime scene' constantly and whines. He has also tried to stop the baby from going out there, barking and pushing her towards the back door. (he has never done this before).
I really think that the fox did this, but i can't stop wondering if it could have been Ghost.
Everyone i know is either a dog fan ' there's no way your lovely dog did that', or a non-dog fan ' sorry, it was probably your big giant dog'.
I would desperately love some opinions from people who know shepherds (and possibly wildlife!).
I am not naive, i know that Ghost is physically capable of this, but could he bite something in half without getting any blood on him? and why all of a sudden when he's had so much opportunity before? Would a dog attack be this violent and messy? I know that fox kills are.
I know i'll never know, but i hate that even though i THINK it was the fox, i feel a bit differently about Ghost now.
Any opinions or shared experiences would be such a big help. x

No mystery here. If your dog didn't have blood on him then it was the fox or nother dog. My money is on the fox.
 

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ok, you live in the city, there's a fox nearby, you leave your
door open so your kitten can go out. i think the fox has a
partner.
 

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you're welcome. i'm there for you. now you know the next time you get a kitten not to leave the door open so the kitten can roam with a fox living so close. i don't think letting a kitten out to roam when you live in the city is a good idea, fox or no fox.


ok, you live in the city, there's a fox nearby, you leave your
door open so your kitten can go out. i think the fox has a
partner.
thank you 'doggiedad'. That was incredibly helpful advice.
 

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Foxes bring their prey back to the den to feed their young OR bury it for later consumption.

As well they hunt at night, dusk or dawn, sometimes anytime of day when food is scarce, which is rare as they eat everything, bugs, worms, mice, berries, garbage, dead animals.
 

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Foxes bring their prey back to the den to feed their young OR bury it for later consumption.

As well they hunt at night, dusk or dawn, sometimes anytime of day when food is scarce, which is rare as they eat everything, bugs, worms, mice, berries, garbage, dead animals.

I think that the GSD stepped in and the fox was not able to bring it back to wherever. Easy prey is easy prey no matter what time of day.
 

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Since this happened he has been very quiet, a bit listless and in the garden he paces the 'crime scene' constantly and whines. He has also tried to stop the baby from going out there, barking and pushing her towards the back door.
I'm assuming your talking about your child, when you say pushing her towards the back door? I would listen to your dog, there is something out there that is dangerous and he is trying to protect your child. It might not even be the fox, it could be a coyote or a raccoon, either of these will take out a kitten in a heartbeat. Please keep your child and dog safe. Call animal control and report the killing of the kitten. If there is something wandering around killing things, everyone should know. I'm sure it wasn't the dog. He seems to be feeling like he didn't do his job, with the whining and pacing, he is feeling uneasy, heed his warnings.
 

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If there are foxes, then there is most likely coyotes, and around here they are always tearing cats up, and leaving them in peoples yards. Coyotes are always trying to catch the foxes.
 

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I agree. i think it was the fox and your german shepherd chased it off. How can a german shepherd (white) tear a kitty apart and have no blood on it. Most dogs shake it til its dead and leave it, not tear it apart. Foxes tear things apart to eat it. Where I live (by the mountains and trails) We see lots of torn up coyote killings. Poor kitty.

Doggie dad, you sure have a mean way of saying things and on top of that taunting that your here for the OP. Where you always that way to other people? Guess your perfect and never made a mistake:rolleyes:
 
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