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I am looking to get a Czech/DDR(or DDR) line boy in the future. In other's experience, are these more stable in nerve and temperament than a German line? I love the black sable look, and would be getting into SchH as a newbie. New club, I am a new member, but my current dog hasn't got the temp for it. I don't want to get in over my head, and not do the dog justice. I have an eye on a breeder, but am open to this. Have been on the DDRlegends forum lurking, but as a newbe am too intimidated to ask there! Opinions are appreciated.
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Quote: In other's experience, are these more stable in nerve and temperament than a German line?
No. There is good and bad in both. Do your research!! Find a breeder who is active in SchH or has titled some dogs in the past at the very least. Too many people breeding "SchH" prospects who have no idea what it takes to title a dog. There are some good people out there with these lines. Just a matter of waiting for the right litter. Do not be in a hurry.

Other than looks, why do you want a dog from Czech/DDR lines? There are some super Czech/DDR/West German dogs competing in our region. Good luck in your search.

What breeder are you considering. You can send me a PM.
 

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I have a west german and a DDR. They are both different from each other even though they are half siblings. I love my Bella though, she is a challenge but I am up for it. I love that lil spit fire. I too like the darker/black sables! I dont know if this helps or not but wanted to share that we too are new to the DDR/czech lines and she keeps on our feet but she is fun!
 

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To be honest, it is all about the look. I hate to admit it, but there it is. I have admired the black sable for a long time, but am not sure that I can do justice to/for such a line. I like a challenge, though. Onyx has temp issues, so I am familiar w/ a strong, driven personality, she just hates the bitework phase of Sch. I am in the early research stages, want to stay in my own state, as there are many great ones right here, so no need to go too far, IMO. I will PM you, Lisa on the one I have an eye on, but it is just in the prelim. stage. So the more feedback the better!!
 

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Jane, Lisa can steer you in the right direction and answer any questions you may not want to ask in public. I agree with her there dogs of good nerve and work ethic in either line. Although, I own DDR/Czech dogs, there are some black sable German dogs to die for!!
 

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Jane, two breeders who have "the look" but (often) less drivey, less intense, less high-octane dogs:

http://www.milesriverddr.com

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http://www.vonhena-c.com

A few of our board members have smart, handsome, fun dogs with good temperaments from these breeders. Just be upfront about wanting stable, easygoing, good beginner's dog.
 

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I know of a few breeders that will not sell a pup to someone who wants a specific color. A reputable breeder has the expereince to help you pick the right pup for you, especially if you want to do schutzhund. If a breeder sells a pup to someone who wants a specific color and does not take anything into consdieration that is a breeder that I would pass on, IMO they just want a sale and not looking at the best interest of the pup and potential owner.

If a pup that shows promise for the sport and it is a good match for the owner and happens to be the color you want that is great. When I was looking at the litter I got my pup from there were two that were the best match for me, one was black and one sable. I LOVE the sables and because I had the two to choose from I picked the sable but if the black was the only match for me he would have been my choice. Color is the least of your worries when buying a pup for schutzhund.
 

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Hi Jane,

One thing I would suggest is try to visit some other clubs and talk with some Czech/black sable dog owners about what they like or dislike about their dogs'. I think there are several clubs in the midwest that have members with Czech dogs also. You might have to make a few phone calls to club contacts, but even if you don't have the time to go and vist these people, I'm sure they would be willing to answer a few questions on the phone.

My club is in Western, Illinois, and we have 9 Czech dogs in our group right now. Some of these dogs wouldn't be appropriate for a beginner, but others would be. I mention that because we always welcome people to come and visit. Over the years I have seen a lot of people make bad choices, and the dog, the person, the persons family etc, all suffer. On the other hand I have seen lots of people that have made great choices and wouldn't trade their animal for anything. The latter are generally people that do a little research.

Be a good consumer is basically what I'm saying here. Use the information you gain from visiting the different dog clubs, make some phone calls, or better still try to have some hands on experience before making any decisions. You can rule out certain dogs or blood lines once you identify what you personally like and can live with.

Picking a SchH prospect based on anything other than working abillity can close some doors for you with breeders. That being said though, if you do your homework, there are breeders that do in fact have darker pigmented dogs, breed for SchH work, and would be willing to explain their breeding programs to you.

That's where your friends and your SchH club can help you. Don't be in a hurry, and get some folks you trust to help you with your selection process.

Al Govednik
 

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Excellent advice from Al.

Yes, there are definitely clubs in our region who are experienced with Czech dogs and their crosses with West lines. Most are not a bad drive so would be worth visiting. Al's club, also, is not a horrible drive especially for the experience you could gain.
 

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A judicious blending of Czech and DDR with WGR can give you GORGEOUS black sables!





This is a half WGR dog out of a DDR/Czech female....I will be breeding her to a dog who is either Czech or Belgian...and expect to get black sables and blacks.

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isn't DDR a German line????
Originally Posted By: onyx'girlI am looking to get a Czech/DDR(or DDR) line boy in the future. In other's experience, are these more stable in nerve and temperament than a German line? I love the black sable look, and would be getting into SchH as a newbie. New club, I am a new member, but my current dog hasn't got the temp for it. I don't want to get in over my head, and not do the dog justice. I have an eye on a breeder, but am open to this. Have been on the DDRlegends forum lurking, but as a newbe am too intimidated to ask there! Opinions are appreciated.
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Yes, DDR is a "german line", but not the same as West German working lines which I believe is what the OP ment.
 

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Beautiful Pics Lee! I have been on the web all morning, my eyes are strained, overwhelming the infomation in my head right now, just looking at these beauties helps. Thanks for all the feedback and more is welcome!!!
 

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this is my 8mth old 'rocket', Masi, she is slovakian/ddr/czech..


Don't know how clear this bottom will come out but here goes:
 

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I am drooling over these pics, keep them coming, please!!!
 

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Bella says hello!! she is 5 months now and gets a lil darker I swear everyday. Well honestly her coat color seems to change all the time I just never know..

From this


to this a 3 weeks later


another few weeks

this was around christmas time


so fun to watch a sables coat! of any color that is.. dark or light!
 

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Aww, Bella is a beauty! I remember seeing Kahn and he looks alot like my rescue Kacie, that is Mika in the pic above, isn't it?
 
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