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How old would the puppy/dog have to be before they can be crated for 9-10 hours a day?

Due to work schedules it will be difficult to let them out during the day. We will have someone to help during part of the summer but thats it.

I also feel it may not be fair to the pup/dog to be crated that long during the day then at night.

Please let me know any advice or your thoughts on the issue.
 

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I hate to say this, but if I had to keep my dog crated all day for 9-10 hours, then again all night, I would not get a dog. It's just not fair to him/her. If all they get is a couple hours in the evening and maybe a short time out in the morning, to get all their exercise, freedom, meals, playtime, etc, I just don't see the point in getting one. I don't want to sound harsh, but that would just be a miserable existence for a dog IMHO. I'd wait til you have more time/better schedule.
 

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6 months or so. There are pens you can get that can go in a spare room or basement. By that age he should be able to spend the nights in your bedroom with you.

Is it your goal to crate while away then allow the run of the house when home?

It`s going to take dedication and commitment to make sure he gets the time commitment and exercise he needs, but it can be done. 10 hours consistantly is a bit much.
 

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I think that people need to realize that what one's person's schedule is, is generally because of things like work.

It will depend on the dog if they can be crated during the day or 9 - 10 hours. Some dogs have great control of their bladder and you need to make sure you feed, water and potty in the AM before you go to work. But going that long may take until they are a year old.

The total amount of crating time depends on what you do with your dog from the time you get home until bed time. You need to spend lots of that time playing and training.

I had a pup when I worked 10 hours a day and was gone 12 hours a day. I had someone come and let him out during the day. But from the time I got home until bed time it was puppy play and training time.

So just because your schedule is different than some people doesn't mean you shouldn't have a pup.
 

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Kodeegirl... I have to strongly disagree with you. I have two dogs, both of them I got as puppies. My male is 2 yrs old now and my puppy is 14 weeks.
Both of them were/are crated as puppies for 9 hours per day, unfortunately both my DH and I have to work for living, all day, 40 hours a week. Crating the dogs is safer for them, they are not loose in the house, chewing on furniture and electric cords, getting themselves in trouble and possible harming themselves. The older they get, the more freedom they earn outside of the crate, when they prove that they can be loose in the house without getting in trouble. My male is at that point right now, I choose to still crate him every now and then because I want the transition to be gradual. He can be loose in the house all day without causing any trouble. HE would still go in his crate to sleep, he loves it.
I don't see any problem crating a dog for 9-10 hours a day and at night. Again it is for THEIR safety. And ours too. OF COURSE you have to provide the dog enough exercise and mental stimulation inbetween. And again, the older they get, the more freedom they get. So at the end, when the dog is 2-3 years old (some dogs earlier, some dogs maybe later, some dogs maybe never), they will be loose in the house.
I would say, 5-6 mths is the time to leave the puppy crated for the whole day. Mine is 14 weeks right now and she can hold it all night from 10.30pm to 6am. I would not trust her being able to hold it all day though, because she eats at 6am and drinks water, my DH leaves the house at 8am and it is too soon after eating and drinking.. my neighbour comes to let her out around noontime, so it works out well.
Good luck with your puppy!!!
 

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When we had our GSD he was only 6weeks old and got him one of them big cage. Today he's 6months old and outgrown the cage but he likes it in there. We never put him in as a pup or to this day. The cage door always stays open and he goes in if he wants. It's like his little peace place. This cage is in the kitchen far corner. Yes we started him in there but man did he cry, whine, yelled and no way would you sleep. I would put him in and go to work and my husband would come back 4hours later from work take him out. But that lasted one week. There were always someone in the house so our dog was always taken out for his toilet training we were lucky for that. My husband refused to put our dog in the cage he always said it was cruel. In a way he was right. But its not everyone that can stay home or have someone there 24hrs a day. Instead of the crate cant you block off a corner of the house just for your dog so he can walk freely? Thats my opinion I think its better blocking of a section of a room instead of locking them up.
 

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I didn't think the forum would be torn on this. I did forget to add something (thanks superpup for the reminder) I will allow them to roam free once they prove they are good.

I think I have made a decision that if I can't find someone to let her out everyday when I am at work, I will have to pass on getting a dog.

I do live next to a park so getting the pup/dog excercise would be quite easy. There are also plenty of places to take them on walks and different routes to keep their mind going!

Thanks for all the input so far and more thoughts & comments are welcome.
 

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Consider an older dog 6 months to 18 months and by pass all the chewing and potty training.
 

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When you say "crate" do you mean one of those plastic-travel type crates that are used on airplanes or are you talking about a wire-cage with perhaps a playpen type set up around it?

My dogs were crate trained as puppies (the plastic airliner type), but they weren't left inside for longer than 2-3 hours consistently, unless it was at night and they were sleeping (and the crates are in our bedroom). Our male still seeks out his crate at night and when there's a lot going on in the house and he needs a place to chill.

I would think if you had a crate with a small penned in area around it, leaving the dog unsupervised while you're at work is a viable option. I wouldn't feel comfortable, however, leaving a dog inside a crate, gate shut, for hours at a time...I'm sure the dog would be OK (would probably sleep the day away), but I'd feel guilty as ****!
 

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The wife does not want to get an older one, I found a great 2 year old GSD and she said no... So I found an 8-month old and I got denied again.

The crate would be the wired one with the plastic tray at the bottom. It is also the type that grows as they do.

I am thinking I would feel guilty as well and that is part of the reason I came here for advice. I am leaning towards no dog/pup as much as I hate saying that.
 

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There are many ways around this issue. If you want a puppy there is no reason why you shouldn't have one. I got my first gsd before I believed in crates and I worked a full time job, twelve hour shifts. Greta spent my work days downstairs in my partially finished basement. She was down there alone and of course it was puppy proofed, all except the sofa. She slowly demolished that sofa over several months time. When I felt she was out of the destruction stage, she was able to stay upstairs with free run of the house. She was about a year old at that point. She's almost 10 now.

A lot has happened in Greta's ten years. I got into rescuing gsds and my little dog family grew and grew and grew. I have a crate in my living room and one in my dining room, doors open. A dog is in each one right now, by choice. Greta often chooses a crate just to lay down in and she was never 'crate trained' per se. I do close the crate door on Greta when we have storms because it is a comfort to her not to have to try to find a hiding place.

Crates are an asset for potty training, feeding multiple dogs and many other aspects of dog care. They keep your house intact when you leave it. You are not there to correct the dog for getting into something (like Greta chewing up the sofa) so you can't teach them doing that is not acceptable. Your teaching time is when you are with your dog.

Opinions will vary with as many people as you ask about crates. I use them. I use them with puppies when I need to. Crates are not right for every dog, but they are a comfort for most.
 

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i would never crate my dog for 9 or 10 hours. when we're gone for any length of time we have a sitter come in and take care of our dog. i don't like to leave him in his crate longer than 4 or 5 hours. my dog had free run of the house from day one. i only crated him at night and when we weren't home. we took a month off from work when he first came home at 9 weeks old. i had him outside every 15 minutes, then every 1/2 hour, then every 45 minutes, up to every 2 hours. at night i did every 2 hours and then i kept on adding time untill it was over night. during the day i kept it to every 2 hours for awhile. don't crate your dog that long. get a sitter, ask a neighbor to come in. if you have to leave him in a crate that long build him a nice size pen or give up a bedroom but don't crate him that long. that's abuse if you crate him that long.
 

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Dante was about 4 months old when I brought him home.
He was crated while I was gone during the day, at first I came home at lunch every day and let him out.
Eventually he was crated all day while I was gone, he now has the run of the house (He's 4 years old now) but spends his day curled up under my desk.
At night he was at first leashed and I looped the end of the leash around my wrist so I knew the momement he stirred. By a year he had the run of the house at night, though I'm not sure he ever left the bedroom then.

This worked VERY well for us.

My next pup will be younger when I bring him home and so not only will I come home at lunch but I'll also have someone come in as long as needed.
 
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