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What would happen to those dogs, cats, birds, etc. that lived with those people? If no one was left to care for them, do your suppose they would they be euthanized to prevent spreading the illness?
Well, yes -- pets of deceased/hospitalized/jailed or otherwise unavailable owners are already often euthanized in U.S. shelters if no one in the family wants to take them, even if the pets are healthy. So there's no reason to think that they wouldn't be taken and killed if owners are quarantined for extended periods too. There's no public shelter capacity to hold large numbers of owned dogs for weeks to monitor them.
 

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Thanks for chiming in Magwart. I was hoping you would.

I thought that was the case, but was hoping it wouldn't be. I would hate for that to happen to my dog or dogs of my friends. I guess that's pretty selfish, isn't it. It's pretty awful to happen to any dog.
 

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Markets are starting to limit purchases of paper goods, sanitizers and staples. So you might not be able to walk in and buy 5 gallons of milk or 4 dozen eggs. I see people going a bit crazy over this. One of my family members had a roll of toilet paper stolen when the bag was set down for a few minutes outside. Looked in the bag and the package had been opened and 1 roll was gone. Nothing else was taken.
 

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Wait. Dogmeat can wear a gas mask?! WHY HAVE I NEVER TRIED THIS?

On topic.

The worst thing you can do right now is panic. I'd like to offer some reassurance on the subject of WuFlu:
  1. While Covid-19 has a mortality rate of 3.4%, consider the following:
    1. How old was the person when they died?
    2. What was their overall health condition?
    3. What pre-existing conditions did they have?
    4. How effective are the health services in their area?
    5. How well-fed were they?
    6. What are the hygiene habits of their surrounding culture?
    7. Were they forcibly quarantined?
    8. What was the air quality of the region?
    9. All of these factors contribute to complications during recovery and many negative responses to these factors increase the likelihood of death from Covid-19 many fold.
  2. The Western world, of which most of us are a part (I understand we have some folks from India and other countries--so long as the below also generally applies to your country point 3 should also apply), generally has:
    1. Effective healthcare services available
    2. Good hygienic habits
    3. A solid, widespread understanding of viral and other infectious disease control
    4. Well-fed people
    5. Healthy people
    6. Governments that do not forcibly quarantine people (most people self-quarantine willingly if asked to do so)
    7. Healthy, long-lived elderly and healthy children
    8. Air that is generally free of particulates such that people do not have to wear a face mask to breathe
  3. While the infection rate is high, and most of the world will likely face infection in their populations, considering point 2, Western peoples (and countries that meet similar standards) should recover rapidly with a mortality rate significantly lower than other areas of the world.
Stay calm and carry a towel.
 

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I am in the group that thinks the Coronavirus will slow down a lot once temps get warm and humidity gets high...
According to a research study of the flu virus (I will post link if I can find it again), the virus has a shorter "shelflife" on surfaces at warmer temperatures and transmission goes way down.
In high humidity, the virus is "heavier" with water, and falls to the ground sooner instead of drifting around.
Viruses love cool dry air ... and that's why there is a Flu season which tends to start in late fall and persist through spring.

I don't think the virus will go down to zero, but I think it will slow down and be easier to contain once flu season ends (April/May?)

Also, for panicky people -
unless you are elderly, have issues with your immune system, heart, lungs etc or are a smoker...
you will probably be able to just stay home sick if you get it (no medical intervention/hospital/doctor visit needed).
Kind of like a bad case of the flu.

The hoarding mentality is disturbing, especially with the masks...
The doctors, nurses and medical staff who take care of the sickened people, need to use them.
 

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What I've been wondering is, if you are put in quarantine, are you allowed to walk your dog?
Rumo would go nuts if he couldn't be walked for 2 weeks!

I guess you would have a lot of time to talk on this forum, though! :D
 

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Of course you can walk your dog:) Just avoid other people and keep your germs to yourself:sick:
 

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Just found this in my email and thought I would pass it along.


by James Robb, MD UC San Diego

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!
 

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Everyone forgets about pens. Lol. They are seriously gross.
I carry my own. Always. No you may not borrow it and no I do not wish to use yours.
 

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You're welcome, Dogma.

I wish I had found that email several days ago. Most everything on that list of essential things to have on hand is sold out wherever I have looked. I hope I don't need them right away!
 

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Lots of germs people deal with everyday. The immune compromised and elder or anyone with a immune system that does not work on all cylinders is at risk. I am concerned for sure. Just my lungs alone on a good day sounds like I have sars. I had the flu last year brought me to my knees I caught right after surgery from my son who only had minor cold symptoms with it. very greatful for tamiflu it really made a difference to me. I hope they come out with something like that. My moms in the hospital icu she came in with the ambulance - virus unrelated - staff members wearing masks. I asked for one and they said they were all out of masks that they are conserving them for health care workers. Signs everywhere about germs flu and the corona virus symptoms. She had said I needed to leave it was not safe mostly part for flu going around there but also cases reported are only confirmed cases. It is when it felt real to me. Wash up it’s what we are told - all the hand sanitizers are gone and wipes. Alcohol , aloe Vera gel and lemon essential oil alcohol at 68% in recipe. I can’t find any alcohol it’s all out wickedly wild. I do wonder if all the vodka In the liquor stores are fine and how much that would take to work. I still see toilet paper on the shelves not sure how long that will be for. In some countries they have ambulance come to the house to do the corona virus test. Workers already prepared and are all in safety gear. I think this is a good idea versus going to the hospital a risk spreading infection for a test. I hear people are under home quarantines in nyc. I did get a email from my kids pediatrician if kids or myself had Corana virus symptoms do not come in and call the provider first. Just for laughs because why not -
 

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@Pawsed handling the gas pump nozzel is one I didn't think of before!Many of us will have to make do with soap and water I guess.
@Jenny720 I was thinking about you and hoping you were ok,knowing your immune system is not exactly in tip top shape.I have respiratory issues myself and yes,even a common cold is serious business.
Here's something interesting: My husband and his siblings have a cruise planned for next month.We just received an email from the cruise line offering a full refund.They are trying to decide whether to reschedule for next year.
 

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What I've been wondering is, if you are put in quarantine, are you allowed to walk your dog?
Rumo would go nuts if he couldn't be walked for 2 weeks!

I guess you would have a lot of time to talk on this forum, though! :D
It would depend on where they live. If someone is in a city, it would be hard to stay away from people.
 

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Everyone forgets about pens. Lol. They are seriously gross.
I carry my own. Always. No you may not borrow it and no I do not wish to use yours.
I never share pens. I hate when you have to use a stylus or a finger on screen to sign for a purchase.
 

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usuallu viruses can only live on a surface for about 18 hours. If this can survive a week, all my usual forms of avoidance won’t work. I haven’t had a cold in at least ten years. I almost never get flu. So, I’m very concerned about not having natural immunities built up.
 

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usuallu viruses can only live on a surface for about 18 hours. If this can survive a week, all my usual forms of avoidance won’t work. I haven’t had a cold in at least ten years. I almost never get flu. So, I’m very concerned about not having natural immunities built up.
I don't get sick much either. It means you have a good immune system. This whole antibacterial/ keep the dirt away/ lets all live in sterile environments has shot us in the foot. Our bodies build natural immunity by exposure to germs, bacteria and viruses. They did a massive decades long study in the UK that found children raised on farms, playing in the dirt and with animals around had fewer health issues then children raised in "clean" settings. That natural resistance/immunity continued in adulthood regardless of where they chose to reside.
 

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@Pawsed handling the gas pump nozzel is one I didn't think of before!Many of us will have to make do with soap and water I guess.
@Jenny720 I was thinking about you and hoping you were ok,knowing your immune system is not exactly in tip top shape.I have respiratory issues myself and yes,even a common cold is serious business.
Here's something interesting: My husband and his siblings have a cruise planned for next month.We just received an email from the cruise line offering a full refund.They are trying to decide whether to reschedule for next year.
thank you yeah I am doing well just concerned. I feeling run down so that’s not good so hopefully catching up on some sleep. I was born with respiratory issues so a cold was never just a cold I know exactly what you mean. I hope all is well with you. Cruises are so much fun over the summer I did a big family cruise. Sounds like it will be a great trip but I hate to say it - I do think they should reschedule the cruise especially if they are voluntarily offering refunds - I think it would be also enjoyed much more after the chaos passes.
 

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@Jenny720 I think it would be wise for them to reschedule too.Hope you're able to take a couple of days and rest up....then overtax yourself and start the cycle again?Me too!
 
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