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Risa has some back issues. I don't know that it is ever not bothering her, but some days certainly seem worse than others. Fortunately she hasn't had any really noticibly bad days lately. Those days involve her not wanting to hop up onto the couch or bed and yelping.


I took her to get a chiropractic adjustment a month or two ago. The doctor wasn't sure if she'd fixed Ris' problem or not and sent me home with some Deramaxx to use when Ris' back is bothering her. I also was placed on the list to see the human chiro whenever he comes in (he only rarely comes in and then it's a first come, first serve basis with limited advanced notice). I haven't heard anything about the human chiro coming in and I wonder if I should just call and make an appointment for the regular doctor to take another pass at fixing Ris' back. Maybe do some X-rays too.

I haven't given her much of the Deramaxx. Partly because I'm not a huge fan of it but also I know it doesn't fix the underlying problem.

What do you think?
 

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How did Risa act after the adjustment? Did the vet do the adjustment? Has the vet had the training?

I think occasionally one adjustment might fix an acute problem, but with ongoing problems, some type of maintenance is usually helpful, even if it's every month or two. My mutts have to go about every 3 weeks cuz my girl has a chronic neurological problem.
 

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Ris seemed fine after the adjustment. . .but then she acts like a crazy thing most of the time anyway. Whether she's in pain or not. That night she played hard with puppies which, looking back, may not have been the best idea.

The vet did do the adjustment and she has had training. She was recommended by my trainer whose dogs have been adjusted by her before. But Risa is not a calm and relaxed dog at the vet (anxious and scared) and was probably tight which I'm sure doesn't help when you're trying to adjust her.
 

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Just listening to the post-treatment plan that you were given, it didn't sound like a typical chiro. Makes sense that it was the vet.


If you have her adjusted again (and I would), you could try to give a Scullcap and a St. John's Wort capsule a bit before hand to relieve some nerve pain and relax some of the muscles. I feed my skittish dog treats while she gets adjusted -- otherwise she would tolerate it because she is so sensitive.
 

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Ris did get treats as she was worked on to keep it a positive experience. She is getting better while she's there though she's still anxious. I'm sure the second time she'd probably be a bit more comfortable.

I really wish that human chiro would show up (and at a time when I could get Risa in) since I heard so many good things about him.

Thanks for the advice so far. It's been very helpful.
 

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I really like having a human chiro work on the dogs -- they do have a bit of a different perspective than most vet chiros, and I think usually they have a bit better hands because they are doing the same thing as their primary job all day every day. That being said, I'm sure it depends on the individual.

Indy was always anxious, and probably still is after year of getting adjusted. But when it's her turn, she just walks over to me and hurries me to start the feeding frenzy. Now I think she's only bothered on the real ouchy parts.

Hope you find something to help Ris soon!
 

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Well the vet seems to think the human chiro works miracles.
Apparently they had a really ornery cat as a patient and after this guy worked on him he was like a whole new cat! So I have confidence he'd be good for Ris. But with Ris' general uncomfortableness (fear) of men, it might be more difficult to get her to allow him to do his job. I'd bring LOTS of treats.

I will probably call the vet after the Holiday and see if I can get Risa in to be worked on again.
 

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i don't know if this was mentioned because i didn't read all the posts. but when i took a few of my gsd's to chiro before i always wondered why they did not heat up the muscles before hand like my chiro person does. it makes sense that if the tendons a muscles are heated up the adjustment goes in better. i was kind of discusted anyway with the vet chiro we were using. he came in and spent no more than 3-5 minutes doing a quick adjustment and charged 50.00, plus the fact that one of those dogs i took in their had a bad disc in his neck and he adjusted it the first time and it sent him into a relapse. after that we had to tell him not to adjust the neck, and he came close to doing it anyway until we said something. you really have to be careful. i have been tempted many times to use a human chiro for future dogs.

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oooohhhh, what a terrible experience. I hate that "assembly line" mode -- and clearly it wasn't helpful for your boy!!

I don't know why they don't do any muscle work either -- my human chiro doesn't, but I tried to do some work on them the night before the adjustment (to get them ready) and the night of the adjustmeent (to help their muscles relax into the adjustment.

I'm a huge believer in hearing a few referrals for any practitioner, though sometimes it's not possible. The vet/acupuncturist that I use now I just found and have been very fortunate. Luckily, I did have a good referral for our chiro.
 

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It's been my experience that different chiros have different modes of working. The guy that has done the most good doesn't do the heat treatment (at least not for what I was seeing him for.) He is pretty amazing both with me & my dog.
 

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i can't imagine myself being adjusted without heat or electrical stimulation before hand. its got to be alot more uncomfortable.

Lisa, good idea for you to work the muscles before hand. this is what i would do if we have to use a vet chiro again that doesn't use heat/stimulation before hand.

unfortunately there are vets out there that go to quicky weekend seminars to get certified for pet chiro just to make big $$$$$ on the side. and then use your pet for practice. i could have done a better job then what this guy did with my dogs. anyone that is looking into chiro for their dog wants to check into how much schooling and experience, credentials, etc. not just a weekend or two certification.

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Just took Kai for his adjustment the other day. He had an episode when my girlfriend closed the storm door on his tail and she didn't realize it. My human Chiro adjusted me and him. Both of us were pretty messed up. She even adjusted 3 places on his tail !

There are not too many vet chiros in our area. Both of the chiros that have worked on me and my dogs have been for humans. Both Dr. Hoff and Dr. Therkelsen have been excellent with me and my dogs.
 

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My best experience with a chiropractor has been with the one (human chiro) who does Network Spinal Analysis. He didn't use any conventional adjustment methods, just "tapped" the spine on certain locations. With humans they also learn how to breath. I still use the spot along the spine on my dogs and it helps. It's much gentler, but also effective.
 

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I've always been intrigued by the Network Spinal Analysis, I don't understand it!

debbie, the certification and training is why I always recommend someone that has been through the AVCA chiro training -- it is extensive. You're right about some of those weekend seminars!!
 

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Well, unfortunately I am in Montana and limited. The vet I go to is the closest to homeopathic that there is in the area. And even that's not 100% or anything (hence the Deramaxx prescription).

I really would like to get an appointment with the other guy. . .but I've heard nothing. Maybe I'll ask about it when I call for Ris' Heartguard refill--which I still haven't done yet. Crazy holidays.
 

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Just for the record - My chiro/accupuncture vet spent a year working with a chiropractor learning her techniques. Neither of them used heat with the dog(s) or me. No, it wasn't painful at all although he said it might be (it was feet and legs I was having worked on.) The results were outstanding - stuff that an orthopedist physician had worked on without very good results was taken care of so I felt better almost immediately.

I know what you mean by having limited availability - even in Arkansas it's limited. In Wyoming it was conventional only and specialists were two hours away - either East or West...
 

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i still don't get it about not using heat or massaging areas for a better more comfortable adjustment. any living thing with muscles or tendons, etc would only benifit from using this before hand. i have had adjustments myself both with and without heat/and or muscle stimulation. i definitely saw a difference both in comfort and the effect with the stimulation before hand.

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