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Ok the gas continues
for Dante on the grain free foods

So I'm moving to Nature's Logic in hopes that it's the potato in the other foods that is causing the gas.
http://www.natureslogic.com/products/dp.html

We'll start the transition when I get back. I'll give him 60-90 days on this and if he still has gas.....don't even want to think about that since so many foods now have Barley in them (Canidae Lamb and Rice has added it, I expect the 'regular' ALS will follow suit soon)
 

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I talked to someone who their vet told them to give the dog Beano and it got rid of the gas.
 

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The thing with just giving something to get rid of the gas is that it isn't addressing what is causing the gas. Dante hasn't had gas on all foods, something in the grain free varieties just isn't agreeing with him.
 

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Jean - I paid $41.99 for the bag (26 pounds) but since it was a special order for someone else back in May I'm guessing the next bag will be more.
I paid $46.00ish for the Core and the Merrick Before Grain so I'm in the same $$ ballpark as I was.
 

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Could he be having a problem with the type of meat he's getting in the grain free foods????
 

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Gayle - It's possible that he's gained an intolerance to Chicken over the years - Problem is that he can't have Barley so I am VERY limited on foods I can feed

I of course can move to one of the very different protiens like Buffalo and may up doing so if this food doesn't work for him.
He comes home from the kennel today so he'll get his first taste of it tonight.
 

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Barb, Oddly, I can't remember all the foods Dante has tried.

Have you tried Instinct kibble? It's grainfree, but doesn't have potato (it uses tapioca as the binder instead). And you can get formulas other than chicken. Zamboni thinks quite highly of the turkey and duck formula.

(She says the canned rabbit and venison formulas are also scrumptious!
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I was leaning to the Instinct but decided to move to Nature's Logic instead, it is on the list of “what if possibilities” that I hope I won’t have to use


Dante agrees with the Rabbit – That is his very favorite Columbia River Natural raw blend! My friend is thinking of bringing in whole raw “dressed” rabbits to sell, from her brother so she knows exactly what they are fed. Not sure I can do that but Dante would love it!!!
 

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Grain free foods Dante has had:
Wellness Core and Merricks Before Grain (I prefer not to feed the 40something % protiens so haven't tried Innova)
 

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i was considering nature's logic when we were leaving TWO, but was confused by their whole philosophy about not adding vitamins. i wasn't sure about it and no one could really answer my questions about it besides the company itself. what do you think? we ended up switching to orijen and nature's variety. if you do decide to go to NV, watch the fat content, its pretty high (22%), and mikko gained a few pounds on it, so i had to cut back.

i'd really like input on the nature's logic as i would like to try it too. also, the nature's logic rep told me on the phone if i couldn't get it at my store, they would ship to me for free. and they don't get any ingredients from china.

from their website:
Quote: Nature’s Logic has distinguished itself from all other natural pet foods by excluding all chemically synthesized vitamins, minerals or trace nutrients from all of its product categories. With its special ingredient selection and formulas, Nature’s Logic not only meets, but exceeds almost every minimum requirement for amino acids, vitamins, and minerals listed in The Association of American Feed Control Official’s (AAFCO) Nutrient Profile for Dogs and Cats.
 

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My friend that owns the pet supply store is pretty high on this food. She carried both the dog and cat food but the dog was slow moving so she quit carrying it. The cat food on the other hand is a favorite of her customers. She's thinking of bringing the dog back...if she can find a space for it
if not, she'll order it for me.

The vitamin/mineral thing makes sense to my logic brain - if you can get them from natural sources it would be better than adding synthetic which I guess is what a lot dog foods do.

I actually didn't notice the fat until I got home with it, I've always tried to keep Dante under 15% after all his poop issues - so hopefully this won't prove to be too high. Dante's used to getting less and less in his bowl
I had to cut back when I moved from Timber Wolf to Core
 

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Originally Posted By: Angela_WI feed nature's variety prairie chicken and rice. see if your store can order the 50lb breeder packs. Not much more than the 30lb bags!!!
Ooooh!
Does NV make those for Instinct too??? They're having shortages of Instinct kibble, so if I can stock up with bigger cheaper bags, so much the better!

ETA: I was just looking at Prairie's contents (again!) : barley in all formulas. Barley hates Dante.
 

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Thanks for the tip Angela, but like 3K9Mom said, Dante is allergic to Barley
 

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Just opened the bag of Nature's Logic-That food smells Good!
I haven't smelled dog food that good (like I could almost eat it) since I fed TimberWolf Lamb and Barley with Apples
(Yes at one point Dante was NOT allergic to Barley!)
 

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Originally Posted By: Barb E.Gayle - It's possible that he's gained an intolerance to Chicken over the years - Problem is that he can't have Barley so I am VERY limited on foods I can feed

I of course can move to one of the very different protiens like Buffalo and may up doing so if this food doesn't work for him.
He comes home from the kennel today so he'll get his first taste of it tonight.
Since chicken is so common, I think a number of dogs don't do best on it. Neither of mine can tolerate it, and they can't tolerate barley either.

The beano adds a digestive enzyme, and you might consider adding an enzyme product at some point. So many GSDs do have digestibility issues, and sometimes it's them. Some foods are easier to digest, but it sure is hard finding the right mix so that "everything works"!
 

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Day 5 of the Nature's Logic

I'm moving slow, even the websites suggests it that way.
He's been getting a cup of old 1/2 cup new, this morning I moved it to cup new 1/2 cup old. We'll see how the poop stands up today and tomorrow. So far there has been no change *Insert dancing poop banana here*

I must say again how good this food smells, if something happened with my job I think I could almost eat this myself
ok, maybe not but it sure smells good!

I think if he still has gas (seems to be reducing but it's only been a few days) I'll try one of the other varieties though they also have Chicken Fat and Liver.
 
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