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We were talking about cancer in another thread so I thought I'd start one on this topic.

Cancer is the number one killer of dogs. I believe I read somewhere that bloat is actually number two.

I believe that a majority of the cancers we're seeing in dogs is due to overuse of pesticides in and on their bodies (through food, flea and tick products, etc.) and in our environment. I read a study somewhere that dogs who exercise on golf courses have an astronomically high rate of cancer and dogs who live in neighborhoods with high pesticide use (lawn chemicals) also have a much higher rate of cancer. The theory is that dogs are more sensitive to these toxic chemicals because they get them on their feet and often ingest them by licking their feet. They also can inhale them if they are outside right after someone's yard is sprayed. And they can inhale them if you use toxic chemicals to clean in your house.

My ex lost her 6.5 yo sheltie to lymphoma. We used to take the dogs to the local golf course to play every night. I found out a number of years after his death that most of the other dogs in my old neighborhood died young and all had some form of cancer and several had lymphoma. It's like those kids who played with empty barrels that had been filled with toxic waste--we have no idea what we're exposing our dogs to on a daily basis!

If you scroll down here you will see two studies about dogs and pesticides. One links bladder cancer to topical pesticide applications (that would be Frontline et. al.) and the other finds a link between lawn pesticides and bladder cancer. http://www.chem-tox.com/pesticides/

One serious problem you're going to find is that pharmaceutical companies tend to be the biggest study funders so there are going to be less studies about dogs and commonly dispensed pesticides like Frontline, Advantage, etc.

Here you can find some general information about rates, etc. for dogs and cancer: http://www.labbies.com/cancerintro.htm

And more general info here: http://www.caninecancer.com

I know that on other threads people are talking about early speuters being linked to certain cancers. I am assuming that means earlier than 6 months because it's been SOP to speuter dogs at 6 months for many years now, longer than the increase in cancer rates, I'm pretty sure.

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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow.....I know that on other threads people are talking about early speuters being linked to certain cancers. I am assuming that means earlier than 6 months because it's been SOP to speuter dogs at 6 months for many years now, longer than the increase in cancer rates, I'm pretty sure.
The link between spay/neuter I don't think has to be just early spay/neuter -- it could just be now that we are finding out the relationship between the two and that explains some of the cancers that have already been there.

Tough to say how much of the increase in cancer is due to better diagnostics now -- meaning that previous rates of cancer may have been higher than we think, but we just didn't have a diagnosis for them. I do believe that the cancer rates are increasing overall though.

Knowing that Indy has a handful of risk factors, I've been trying to fight the big C from rearing it's head for nearly a decade. She had a tumor removed last September, so we haven't been completely successful. But knowing that the tumor was there for quite awhile, perhaps we were successful at containing it.

Gotta also throw in vaccination as a cause of cancer, and there has been an increased number of vaccines given, which is still true outside of a large number of folks that are more aware on the boards.
 

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Everything you're pointing out is very astute. Also though, most people have only been aware of the quality of their dogs' food now for about a year since the great pet food recall. And now many more people realize that what they feed their dogs is garbage, even the super premium stuff leaves lots of room for improvement. Even those 'purists' who feed raw, BARF, etc. are they feeding pasture fed beef, organic meat, etc.? Or is it just the same raw pesticide-laden stuff we are eating?

Although I firmly agree and believe that cancers are perhaps 90% environmental - since it is the epidemic of the post-atomic ear, I think many are genetic, although whether the original genetic defect is longstanding or due to environmental damage to the DNA of a recent ancestor would be hard to observe regardless of species.

According to Wikipedia, cancer was observed by Plato although that's not to say cancer is 'natural' just because it has been observed a long time. Many practices in all areas of civilized living (such as typesetting with molten lead) led to diseases and could be causes of early forms of cancer. It is entirely up for debate whether cancer was seen in nature before our species began to pollute the Earth.

One thing is for sure though, the prevalence of cancer among all species has skyrocketed since the invention of organophosphate pesticides and the testing of nuclear weapons.
 

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We are definitely seeing an increase in the connection between vaccines and cancer but we have been over vaccinating for so many years now. The frequency has actually decreased rather than increased. So some combo of factors is probably responsible for the increase in cancer rates or cancer diagnoses.

I learned about healthy food 15 years ago when my first dog almost died from a toxic reaction to the Purina I was feeding her. And I agree that if you're going to feed raw you need to be very careful about the source or you are putting your dog at similar risk and also supporting a horrible industry.

Thanks for all of the additional links. I hope we can continue this conversation and make it into a sticky!
 

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I have had 3 dogs die in the past 15 years and 2 died from cancer. The other was hit by a car. My ex had a 6.5 yo sheltie who died from lymphoma. Basu had cancer of the spleen and Massie had some kind of intestinal cancer. Basu was 10.75 and Massie was almost 12.

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Cody, cancer of the liver, age 13
Niko, cancer of the liver, age 14
 

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Max, a rescue I had only 6 months, died of cancer all over at barely 6 or 7 years.
That was my first experience with my own GSD, and my god did is crush me. Now to think of my dogs I have now passing, I can't even fathom it since I raised her from a pup and have had her so long. I really think it'll be harder on me than when my mother passed away, sad as that sounds.
This is why I am considering breeding my GSD female to get a pup out of her, NOT to replace her, I NEVER replaced Max, but Aura did fill the gaping hole in my heart that Max left, and I can't even consider losing Aura. After Falk was put down (He had a serious neurological problem, he lost the use of both of his back legs, his bowels, his urination, etc), I was crushed. He was another rescue. I paid $2,000 to save him from a breeder that the county was taking most of her dogs away from. It seems that in the cases I open my heart and my wallet to do rescues, I end up getting super hurt.
I know rescue and adoption are the best way to go, but in both, well, all three cases I have had horrible outcomes. With Aura I know the breeder, the bloodline, and the health that has come with her.
Losing a pet is miserable. Cancer is a monster. I did improve the food I feed them after Max passed away, but I still wonder with all the crap they're exposed to, if I protect them well enough.
No more front line. I haven't been the best with vaccinations, and I guess that's not a horrible thing. I keep them pretty clean and safe, as best I can anyways... Here's hoping I have better luck with my babies this time!
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<span style="color: #3333FF"> CANCER LINKS: <u> </u> </span>

http://www.eattheapple.com/ginger/ - personal account of dog living and
thriving
because of diet and supplements for years AFTER the diagnosis Hemangiosarcoma

"Essiac® for Pets" - Official Information Site from Resperin Canada
http://www.essiacforpets.com

Cancer in the Canine
http://www.labbies.com/cancerintro.htm

Cancer Links A-Z Index
http://www.cancerlinks.com/cancerlinks_A-Z.html

Feline & Canine Cancer Links
http://www.thensome.com/petcancer.htm

Flaxseed & Cancer
http://www.eattheapple.com/flaxseedlinks.htm

M. D. Anderson Cancer Center's Complementary/Integrative Medicine
Education Resources (CIMER) Web site (Human)
http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/

Great link with recipes.
Natural Preventatives to Treating Cancer
http://www.purelypets.com/articles/treatingcancer.htm

Supplements
http://www.b-naturals.com/by-condition-cancer-c-23_8

PetEducation.com: Causes of Solid-Appearing Lumps & Bumps on the Skin
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1638&articleid=424

The Saga of Sander, The Sheltie
http://rhallenbeck.tripod.com/sander.html


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BOOKS

"Pets Living With Cancer: A Pet Owner's Resource" by Robin Downing
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1583260226/qid=1024495314/ref=s
r_11_0_1/103-6284769-0519047

Complementary and Alternative Veterinary Medicine, Principles and
Practice" By Allen Schoen, DVM and Susan Wynn, DVM
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0815179944/qid=1013808588/sr=1-
4/ref=sr_1_4/002-9432430-7648004

"Herbal Medicine, Healing, and Cancer : A Comprehensive Program for
Prevention and Treatment" By Donald R. Yance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879839686/ref=ase_pethealth/00
2-9432430-7648004

"Why Is Cancer Killing Our Pets?: How You Can Protect and Treat Your
Animal Companion" By Deborah Straw
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/089281926X/qid=1014145739/sr=1-
1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9432430-7648004

Pet Care Books by Caroline D. Levin, RN
http://www.petcarebooks.com/

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VETERINARIANS, ORGANIZATIONS:

American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine (ACVIM)
http://www.acvim.org/

Holistic Vets
http://www.ahvma.org/

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CANINE CANCER DISCUSSION GROUP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canine_cancer/


<span style="color: #3333FF"> I also have a Canine and Cancer E-Book that I can e-mail to you. Just PM me your address.</span>
 

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Thank you Jazzstorm for all the links, and for posting them so the addresses are all printed out. Anyone interested in these, should also save the page, in case our stickies get lost, as they have in the past. If you go to Topic Options and then Print Topic, you can save the page in a much simpler format.
 

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We lost our dusty at the age of 12 due to cancer in the palate of his mouth and then it ate through to his brain. im still not sure what kind of cancer it was. that month was a blurr to me. it just happend so quick.

he was fine one day the next day he had cancer and we kept him around for little over a month due to selfishness on our own behalf :(...its hard when you loose one but when you have to see them suffer with this awful disease its rough.

one thing about it though, we were going to do the chemo/radiation but like the vet explained to us, he was older and we do the chemo/radiation it might work and it might not. so after learning that his was ver aggressive we decided not to do that part. we were going to have to end him off to a school in louisville that specialized in the study of cancer and it was going to cost alot of money and we just couldnt do that.

i have lost family memebers to cancer and to me its no different as far as the disease it self from human to animals. it acts the same. the one theory about the pesticide and things like that. im not disagreeing because it could possibly be but dusty was never around things like that. not even as a pup (he was born to me).

I think it just happens, just like when people who have never smoked in there entire life gets cancer of the lungs. i think its in the air from chemicals and things like that and not to mention in our genes. who knows what it is caused from!

i do know its a disease that is one of the most awfulest things to have to see someone or an animal go through. its awful!!!!

as far as having them spayed or neautured i have heard and read that having them fixed helps there chances of prostate and colon cancer. we had duke fixed but that was just in nov and he was way over the age of 6 months. i know i just dont want any of my animals to have to go through it again...its horrible
 

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Hi, I need some advice. I have a 6 mos old GSD. He is healthy and active and not showing any signs of pain. Two months, I felt a hard lump between his shoulder and neck. I asked the vet and he told me to keep an eye on it. Its the size of a golf ball and its hard and does not move. Some days it seems to be bigger then others. Sometime I have a hard time finding it and then its there! My vet told us on Saturday that it is Osteosarcomo. He suggest just letting the dog live out its life because regardless of what I do he will die from this anyway. He also said that removing the lump will only make the cancer spread to his lungs faster. I am devastated but I am having a hard time accepting that my 6 month old GSD has had Osteosarcoma since he was 4 months old. I have searched and searched and I have been trying to find anything to let me believe that it is not cancer. The doctor said it is too hard to be a lymph node. Everything that I have read said the youngest known age to have this is 2 years? I think he has a secondary yeast infection right now from antibiotics that I had him on for ear infection. He has been itching and has a small spot on his head that was crusty. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
 
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