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I have two 5 generation pedigree charts for the lineage of a litter we are looking at and was wondering if someone would be so kind as to take a look at them for me. Thanks in advance.
 

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I received them as Chrome htm docs and don't know how to post a critter like that here. I figured I would send them in a PM.
 

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Yes sorry! My first GSD was a free pup from a farm and I am just learning the ins and outs of this search we are on. I appreciate your patience.

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A grand-dam on the dam's side is a half sister to my very first GSD (hopefully that makes sense). I owned a littermate of Carly.
 

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Thank you. I have not a clue what I am looking at and show lines is not what we are looking for. Is there an absence, in the working line pedigree's, of standard classically colored coats?
 

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Thank you. I have not a clue what I am looking at and show lines is not what we are looking for. Is there an absence, in the working line pedigree's, of standard classically colored coats?
No, but it is less common in the working lines because sable is the genetically dominant color so it overrides black and tan. You also see more blacks in the working lines because it (recessive to black and tan) tends to be bred out of the showlines. The original dog registered as a GSD, btw, was a sable. For most working line breeders, color is inconsequential but it is important for show line breeders.
 

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What is your lifestyle - ie family with small children? Single person who hikes, runs etc? Are you interested in competitive sports like IPO or agility or flyball? Just because these dogs are 'showline' does not mean they are not suitable for companion homes....it does not mean you have to show them - and these are European showlines, not American/AKC showlines....so if your objection is based on AKC shows, these are not the same....

I don't know all the fine details on showline genetics, but do think that most novice owners are much better off with a good showline pup than the average working line (and I breed working line dogs!) unless the prospective buyer is very active and has goals of some type of training credentials

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We are older with no intent to compete in anything.

Companionship with a higher drive for protection and guarding is desired.

We would prefer a standard coat with the classic tan or red with black saddle and mask.

I raised and trained a GSD/Wolf Hybrid that challenged me his first 5 years. I have no qualms or concerns in raising and training a higher drive pup.

I personally do not want to have anything to do with typical show lines. Don't want no frog dog. I have noted recently that European show lines may be what we are looking for but I have too much respect for the GSD and the resultant health issues American and Canadian show lines have concerns me. WL health progeny has me looking in this direction.
 

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I personally do not want to have anything to do with typical show lines. Don't want no frog dog. I have noted recently that European show lines may be what we are looking for but I have too much respect for the GSD and the resultant health issues American and Canadian show lines have concerns me. WL health progeny has me looking in this direction.
That's Lee's point- the German show lines are worlds away from the American show lines that people associate with conformation extremes. I think the WGSL's are a great way to go for what you're looking for.
 

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I personally do not want to have anything to do with typical show lines. Don't want no frog dog. I have noted recently that European show lines may be what we are looking for but I have too much respect for the GSD and the resultant health issues American and Canadian show lines have concerns me. WL health progeny has me looking in this direction.
What health concerns do Am/Can show lines have that other SD's do not?
 

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That's Lee's point- the German show lines are worlds away from the American show lines that people associate with conformation extremes. I think the WGSL's are a great way to go for what you're looking for.
Now the $64,000.00 question. Where does one turn in the Midwest to find such a breeder? I have literally exhausted my Google Fu !
 
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