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California newborn killed by family dogs | cleveland.com

We think it was an accident.

Who would mix shar peis with pit bulls?

Who would leave a 3 day old baby on a couch with the door wide open and dogs you know are aggressive out there, tied up?

33 year old woman with no brains at all. 3 day old baby no chance at all.

I know, I know, I know.

Maybe she was living with her brother, and her brother wasn't living with her. Maybe she needed a place to stay, and he had dogs. You don't give up your dogs because your sister moves in with her baby. Maybe. So often when people want to rehome a dog that will bite children, this is what I envision, the fact that people cannot be with an infant/small child every moment of every day to prevent a tragedy like this one. Sooner or later with a dog that will bite, there is going to be something happen.

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Glad it wasn't a shepherd, but this kind of thing hurts all dog owners everywhere.
 

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There have been 3 cases so far this year of 3 day old babies being killed by dogs, two were by Pit mixes. Pit types are only 6% of total dogs owned. Two of the fatalities were in Ohio. I am not sure about the third.
 

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I read this earlier and someone posted they were Sharpei and Lab, but I don't know how they said that when I have't seen a picture of the dogs anywhere. I stopped reading the story when it read "thought the dogs were tied up". My first thought was why were dogs tied up in a yard with a fence unless there was an issue? Where do these people get these dogs? Do they just get a dog and leave it outside without any interaction? I don't understand how you bring a baby home to this kind of scenario? These people get dogs and have no clue what to do with them, now an innocent baby is dead. These people should be charged with being stupid.
 

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"Lab mix" is shelter code name used to dupe the public to increase the chances of getting a Pit Bull adopted.

I have read a few versions of OP's article. All of them stated Pit Bull / Sharpei mix.
 

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I read this earlier and someone posted they were Sharpei and Lab, but I don't know how they said that when I have't seen a picture of the dogs anywhere. I stopped reading the story when it read "thought the dogs were tied up". My first thought was why were dogs tied up in a yard with a fence unless there was an issue? Where do these people get these dogs? Do they just get a dog and leave it outside without any interaction? I don't understand how you bring a baby home to this kind of scenario? These people get dogs and have no clue what to do with them, now an innocent baby is dead. These people should be charged with being stupid.
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"Lab mix" is shelter code name used to dupe the public to increase the chances of getting a Pit Bull adopted.

I have read a few versions of OP's article. All of them stated Pit Bull / Sharpei mix.
It wasn't in the article that I seen it, it was comments that someone made that knew the dogs. I can't say one way or the other, but the media tends to go with pit bull for anything like this, it gets way more attention then if it was a poodle. Here, everything is a pit bull mix even if it isn't, they don't have problems adopting out dogs because they are pit bulls, there are just to many of them. No matter what breed it was, my guess is that this would have happened no matter what because these people had no clue about dogs period.
 

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I did a search and there is a very and I mean very short video clip of both dogs. The first dog has pointy ears and at first glance which was really fast I thought a Belgian Mal mix, but then it was on the shorter heavier side.


If really doesn't matter because a baby and two dogs are dead over stupidity.
 

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13 out of 16 dog bite related fatalities of 2016 were by pit bull types. 2 out of 3 three day old babies killed in 2016 by Pit Bull types. Does anybody else see a correlation?
 

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Any dog might kill a 3 day old baby, given the opportunity. But there is enough hysteria and enough stories about pit bulls and attacks/deaths that people who have 3 day old babies should ensure that the baby is out of Harm's way.

Shepherds are great mother dogs. They will mother anything (even baby mice, ew!). When, as a dam, their puppies make noises, they are right there figuring out if it is hungry or needs to be relieved -- the bitches have to stimulate this to make it function when they are new. They are careful and protective, and will move their babies if they are anxious about the where they are situated. Other bitches will hear the cries of another bitch's pups and want to do something about it.

When a young couple had a new baby, the shepherd bitch heard the baby crying and went and took the baby to the couple. Total accident, understanding how bitches are, but human babies are not made to be hauled around by dogs. It did not survive the encounter.

If you have a Pomeranian, maybe you can plead ignorance when the dog kills the newborn that was left lying on the bed. (Happened.) If you have a pit bull you can't plead ignorance. I am sorry, but charges need to be filed in this case. I hate adding to the parent's pain, but this sort of negligence is criminal. That poor baby.
 

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It wasn't in the article that I seen it, it was comments that someone made that knew the dogs. I can't say one way or the other, but the media tends to go with pit bull for anything like this, it gets way more attention then if it was a poodle. Here, everything is a pit bull mix even if it isn't, they don't have problems adopting out dogs because they are pit bulls, there are just to many of them. No matter what breed it was, my guess is that this would have happened no matter what because these people had no clue about dogs period.
A Poodle mauling or killing would be headline news. Human deaths by dog bites are not dismissed because the breed is not a Pit or a Pit mix. The media tends to go with what the dog owners or Animal Control tells them. The media is very leery of speculating as to breed as they have come under fire for that in the past. Where I live, everything is a Pit Bull mix too, but that is because that is the breed in shelters, etc. People are capable of recognizing a Beagle, a Collie, an Irish Setter or a Pit Bull just by appearances. I disagree 100% that no matter what breed it is that the same would have happened. Right or wrong, mothers leave babies alone with dogs all the time to run to the bathroom and come back to unharmed children.

This is the second time this year that Pit Bulls have killed a three day old baby. The third three day old baby was killed by a terrier mix. Pit Bulls and their mixes only represent 6% of dogs owned. Two out of three fatal attacks on three day old babies for a fairly unpopular breed is not something one can chalk up to say any breed could have done it.
 

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Pitbulls are just the latest breed to be top of the list. Google the stats. You'll find that German Shepherds were the top in the 70s. Then Dobes. Then Rotts.

It would be great if we could keep the bully breed hating threads off this board.
 

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Pitbulls are just the latest breed to be top of the list. Google the stats. You'll find that German Shepherds were the top in the 70s. Then Dobes. Then Rotts.

It would be great if we could keep the bully breed hating threads off this board.
This is baloney Michelle, and you know it. In the 20 years ending in 2001, pit bulls were on the top of fatalities. They still are.

Maybe in ancient history, the 1970s when everything with pointy ears was a GSD, and no one heard about pit bulls, GSDs were it. But they have never topped the rating in killings for decades. What is it, 4 decades, 5? I am sick and tired of taking the fall for pit bulls. Their owners shouldn't get a free pass anymore. If you want a pit bull, fine. If it kills someone, go to prison.

And, this is a current dog event. It is allowed here to have a thread about a baby being killed by dogs because it effects all of us when something like this happens. It isn't a pit bull hating thread, it is a dog killing baby thread, and I think that the baby is more important than being politically correct when it comes to pit bulls.
 

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German Shepherds and Dobes never earned that reputation. Rotts did to a degree, but a far distant second to Pits.

It is hard not to engage when one can't walk their dog around the block without a Pit Bull problem. I have a friend in Erie. He says the Pit Bull problem is extremely bad up that way.

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I would never leave my newborn baby out with the dogs. It's all so new, maybe the dog goes to eat the poop in the baby's diaper and hurts the baby. Nothing would be more important to me than the baby, and to lose the dogs and baby at once, wow, why in the world risk a thing?

After the baby is a bit older, sure. Watch the dogs, see how they are reacting, and move forward with caution for all.

How in the world would you not make protecting your child and the dogs you love a priority and not take risks?

These deaths are so easy to prevent. I think people forget that dogs are predators and there is this myth that dogs somehow instinctively would never hurt a baby. Well, dogs are dogs and they might, even accidentally.

People need to be smart about their tiny newborns and their dogs. I see no reason why my dogs wouldn't be fine with a baby, but why why why risk a thing?

Maybe it's due to a general lack of understanding of dogs as predator. The photos and videos of dogs sitting with tiny babies or being sat on by toddlers are all over the place. This idea that a dog should tolerate anything a child dishes out is wrong and dangerous and unfair to the dog.

I expect and have seen tolerance from my dogs for kids antics. But, take it too far and you have a dead dog and a hurt kid. People need to get smarter about animal behavior. Know your breed, too. My dogs might be very cool with kids, but if the kids starts running, and screaming, and I'm not there, maybe they'd chase and nip at their pants. I just won't take any risks.

I think we (society we) are very confused by cartoons, bad "positive only" training, and the myth of dogs as furry babysitters. I have a good friend who allows their 2 year old to sit on the dog. The dog looked OK with it, but I made a mental note not to allow that kid to play with my dogs. My dogs are fine with kids, are gentle and play fetch, but it would be unfair to expect them to tolerate an unknown toddler playing bronco on their ribcage. Again, why risk it? There is little benefit and huge risk.
 
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