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alright, who has a BYB pup/dog and who has a pup/dog from a reputable breeder?? also do they have any health issues??

i consider my boy a BYB, but on the other hand the breeder did go about things the way a good breeder would. so far (6 months old) tyson has not had any health issues other than he did have a sprained knee from rough play with another pup
 

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I have two GSDs from rescue, but know where they came from.

Both I would say are BYB-one started out good, then I think got more into another breed.

Bella-from a definite BYB has plasmoma (pannus of the 3rd eyelid)
Nina-from an oops mother-son litter has GSD pyoderma, which is a rough skin disorder and hypothroid
 

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Shadow is almost positive a BYB puppy. He's 5 months old and no major health problems yet. He's a small guy, but has a great temperment (sp?). The only problem is that one of his testicles didn't drop, but that will be taken care of when neutered.
 

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My two GSDs are from a BYB in southern Virginia who had their own ideas about breeding oversized GSDs. They did have some kind of plan but they are definitely not into genetics or show lines.

The chronic issues my 2 had when I got them have resolved by feeding them super premium food and supplements.

I haven't had their hips and elbows xrayed but Jess shows signs of mild elbow dysplasia but mild and she is going on 3 now so I think she'll be fine. They have flat backs as opposed to sloped backs which is better for their health.

But we didn't buy them, we rescued both of them.
 

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both my dogs were from rescues with their history known.

gia is from a BYB. at the time he had a poorly done geocities website & he bothered to micro chip the pups, then decided that the rescue should find her a home instead of having her returned to him at 9.5 months. gia has HD, diagnosed at 4yrs due to weird spasms/lameness.

tilden came from what "sounded like" a responsible breeder situation, but we don't have the kennel name. they were willing to take him back if original owners shipped him. he has absolutely no health problems so far (a hernia is the all ive noticed in the 9 months i've had him)

eta: i forgot about pano for tilden... but he was better very shortly after i got him.
 

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Brody came from a backyard breeder. He has had a bout with pano so far but thats about it. He definately doesnt look strong in the hindend. Hoping its not HD as he gets older. On the positive side though he has the best personality ive ever seen.
Greta came from a breeder. Shes only 4 months and we havent had any problems yet. Praying that they both stay healthy.
 

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Ok what is considered a BYB, A sprained knee or a one testical dog I feel doesn't fit the discription to me. Just because one testical doesn't drop, I've seen a reputable breeder put them out once in a while. Sometimes it make me mad when there is a problem out of the breeder control on said pup that all of a sudden they are labled a BYB. I feel that it is how the breeder takes control of the issue that would label them this, not cause the pup has a problem
 

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Originally Posted By: chuckOk what is considered a BYB, A sprained knee or a one testical dog I feel doesn't fit the discription to me. Just because one testical doesn't drop, I've seen a reputable breeder put them out once in a while. Sometimes it make me mad when there is a problem out of the breeder control on said pup that all of a sudden they are labled a BYB. I feel that it is how the breeder takes control of the issue that would label them this, not cause the pup has a problem
Producing a puppy with a retained testicle doesn't make a byb. That can happen to anyone. BREEDING a dog with a retained testicle, however, is a definite sign of a byb to me.



Rocky is from a BYB. His health is very very good, although he did have a retained testicle. He is also extremely nervy and shy.
 

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My puppy is from a reputable, responsible breeder. She's got no health or temperment problems we've seen yet.
 

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I agree breeding a one testical dog in the first place is just plain wrong, how about the breeder that put dogs together with out researching what they are breeding, or doesn't stand behind what they breed also would be considered a BYB in my book
 

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Sarge is a rescue dog that im sure came from a BYB. He doesnt have any health concerns at 4 years old now. Hes a huge part of our family and I hope he continues his good health for many years to come. Thats him in my avitar.
 

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I would consider Shane from a BYB, but the breeder also did things pretty good. Shane didn't have papers, but he gave me copies of the parent's papers, and allow me to see his environment and both parents and interact. Knock on wood, Shane is 16 months and in perfect health!
 

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Kenya is from a reputable breeder. She is 4 years old, hips and elbows will OFA good/normal if I remember correctly. No health issues besides stuff that happened once (like an ear infection after a week at the lake, a thorn in her paw...). She has been exposed to whip worms and kennel cough in my home and picked up neither.
 

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Rocky is definitely from a BYB. When we got him the guy had the pups in a chicken wire kennel in the back yard. When we got him he had worms. fleas, and had different areas of his body that were chewed up so bad there was no fur left. He has severe food allergies, chronic ear infections, and pano. We have not had his hips done and probably wont unless there he has a problem in the future. As of right now, he is healthy and we have his ears under control.

We got Apollo from a breeder. I would not consider the guy a typical backyard breeder. In aftersight not exactly sure he was a "great" breeder, but we have Apollo. He is healthy, happy and just full of energy. He doesnt have any health issues that we currently know of but if they appear we will cross that bridge when we get there. Again unless there is a reason we will not have his hips checked either.
 

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I wouldn't say the breeder I got Shadow from was a BYB just because of the retained testicle. His litter was advertised on the internet. When we went to look at the remaining two dogs, there were 4 or 5 runs in the back connected to a large barn. 1 run had a pregnant golden, 1 had shitzu puppies, one had the 2 remaining shepherds, and if I remember correctly, 1 had 2 beagles. the dogs were extremely nervous of people, as though they had not been handled much. I didn't get to see his parents as they weren't on site. It was the set up of the place that makes me consider this a BYB, not the retained testicle.
 

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We've always considered Gunner's breeder a BYB. However, we're not sure if she knows how good her dogs are (at least ours). We paid a whopping $300 for him. Neither of his parents are titled, but there's a couple vom Fleischerheim dogs a few generations back. ScH titles run rampant after (before?) that. Size is well within breed standard.

We got Kenya from a better breeder. All of his dogs are ScH titled, including her parents. Kenya is a large-boned girl; at the high end of the breed standard.

Both are smart, but Gunner is much more intelligent than Kenya. Gunner has a higher ball drive, and is more high strung. Gunner LOVES everyone he meets, unless they try to come in the house when the boss isn't home. He's great with kids, other dogs, everyone.

Kenya, on the other hand, is agressive towards strangers. She's the biggest baby/whiner in the house, but outside, she's awful. We took them both to be evaluated for Sch training. Gunner "got it" right off the bat. Kenya wasn't interested in the slightest.

Both are in excellent health. No problems at all with either, unless you count a floppy ear (Kenya).

Maybe we were wrong about Gunner's breeder. Maybe we just got one heck of a dog at a great price.
 

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I'm not sure I would consider Argos and Anka's breeder a total BYB in so far as it implies an unknowledgeable person who just wants to make money off a litter of cute puppies and puts 2 dogs together with complete lack of concern for what they could produce.

She had 2 super dogs with good pedigrees and stellar temperaments. The puppies had excellent health care, early socialization, and clean environment. She did not show them or work the parents herself, she didn't have the resources. She cared that the puppies went to good homes, but her breeding market/goal was primarily pet people. Dad was OFA'd, Mom was not. She did not guarantee the puppies because she does not breed enough litters (maybe 3 in 5 years) to have a replacement if something goes wrong. So perhaps not the most reputable breeder, certainly not a puppy mill either, but I couldn't be happier with the result.

Argos had some early health issues with itching and we thought allergies, but they have since resolved themselves and after talking with several vets and people from the UF vet school, we determined that his problem was probably had more to do with a stressed immune system from leaving his litter, rounds of vaccinations, and the introduction of many new elements in his new home environment. His Hips look good. Elbows look great. Super solid temperament. Great worker.

Anka has had no problems.
 

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We got Meeka from a reputable breeder. So far she has no health or temperament issues. She will be two years old on August 31st, 2008 and has been a joy since the day I brought her home. She is from west-german showlines. I've not had her hips or elbows checked as I will not breed her. She was spayed at 6 months.
 

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Ruby is from a BYB. She is a very sweet dog- no aggression that I've seen but definately has prey drive. No health issues other than a ton of puppy parasites when we got her which really cut into her early socialization opportunities.

The vet and local pet store owner that know of other dogs from this BYB say that all the dogs they've seen are fine.

I would not recommend his to others though and I would do it differently if I had the chance.

FWIW
 

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Cherry is from a reputable breeder. She's very healthy.. And if I do say so myself - perfect

I like the fact that a reputable breeder breeds to better the breed. Cherry's breeder is a lovely lady and I e-mail her regularly.

I'd say that Logan was from a BYB. She didn't want any contact with us after we took him home. She'd done the hip scoring, etc. And the Sire was from good lines.. But Logan showed signs of aggression from the first day we got him home. We tried to work on it. At about 10 weeks old, he started to attack people - he'd just lunge at them, sometimes foaming at the mouth. One trainer even turned us away. We then found out that some of the others from his litter were having the same problems. My Grandma had bought Logan's littermate and he too was very aggressive. He was also obsessive about shadows and would scratch at them until his paws bled.
I understand that aggression is often down to the owners/environment, but we spent so much time with him.. I mean my Grandparents were breeders themselves - it's not like we'd never owned GSD's. It's just strange that all of these pups were unstable. Is aggression hereditary? We didn't give him up like so many trainers had told us to do. We kept him and researched and helped him ourselves.
Apart from that Logan was relatively healthy.. Although he was a lot bigger than the average GSD. He died aged 9 from a cancerous tumour. His brother died aged 5 from bloat..

I loved Logan with all my heart, but when I decided to get another GSD, I really spent time looking for a good breeder. And I now have a beautiful, well-behaved GSD, she's exactly how a GSD should be.
 
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