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I took my 6yr old to a Neurologist today. He has had weak back legs, not wanting to jump and dragging his nails slightly, for 6 weeks at this point. He thinks it's likely a disc in his back. DM was the original concern, thankfully that seems to be of the table.

He mentioned I could try steroids and crating him for a couple weeks, but recommended an MRI, X-rays, and bloodwork. If that's what I should do I'll do it, but should I try the steroids and rest first? Reading old posts it sounds like this is what a lot of dogs needed. I don't want to ways a couple thousand dollars, but want to do the right thing for my dog. He doesn't seem like he is in pain, but the vet said he was when he manipulated his back.

Any recommendations? Any experience with this? Thanks
 

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Did the vet mention if treatment would be different after MRI and x-rays? For example, my vet said that my pup most likely had pano but I could do x-rays to be sure it wasn't a break. I asked if the treatment would be different if it was a break and he said not really. So the x-rays weren't necessary. I know it's a different scenario, but you get the point I hope.

Personally I would want to know for sure what the diagnosis was in a case like yours. It could get serious fast. There are also much better people to ask about these things than me, and hopefully they will come along soon.
 
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Did the vet mention if treatment would be different after MRI and x-rays? For example, my vet said that my pup most likely had pano but I could do x-rays to be sure it wasn't a break. I asked if the treatment would be different if it was a break and he said not really. So the x-rays weren't necessary. I know it's a different scenario, but you get the point I hope.

Personally I would want to know for sure what the diagnosis was in a case like yours. It could get serious fast. There are also much better people to ask about these things than me, and hopefully they will come along soon.
With everything on my mind I didn't even ask the next step;(. I emailed them but haven't heard back what the treatment would be. But yes, like you said I hate to have it get more serious. Although in the last 6 weeks it has not gotten worse, if anything it's gotten better.

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Sorry to hear about your dog.



Definitely add Chiropractic's and Acupuncture to the veterinarians regime.


The vet or person doing the above should be certified.


I can look in my notes for Michigan clinics that offer this if you are interested.


Also ask about Adequan injections.




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Sorry to hear about your dog.



Definitely add Chiropractic's and Acupuncture to the veterinarians regime.


The vet or person doing the above should be certified.


I can look in my notes for Michigan clinics that offer this if you are interested.


Also ask about Adequan injections.




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Thank you, I'll look into both
 

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When you speak with your vet, be sure to press him her on the success rate of any treatment suggested. I don't have any personal experience with this problem for dogs, but I had/have a bulged disc in my back and surgery was suggested as one option. The success rate stated to me was 60/40 in favor of NOT being successful! Apparently more often than not, scar tissue ends up replacing the bulge in the disc, and the outcome is often no change or even worse than it was before the surgery! For me, a combination of chiropractic, acupuncture, and yoga worked wonders! Good Luck!
 

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If surgery is a consideration, consult with a vet neurologist. Just keep in mind with human neurologists, they always seem to think cutting is needed...even though the success rate is poor....because that's all they have to offer. Keep Tim's good advice in mind!

In the mix of things to try, look for vet-supervised PT, esp. using hydrotherapy. Our state vet school clinic has custom swim tanks for dogs that they use for PT. If you can find something like that, I'd try it.


In humans, there's good research showing water exercise/swimming has results that are equal to better than surgery for relieving some kinds of back pain -- the theory is that strength in the core will push against the bulging disc, so the muscles help hold the disc contents in place.

In people, there are thousands of us living active lives with bulging discs relatively pain free -- and other people whose MRI's aren't as bad but who are suffering awful pain. I think the difference usually tends to be the dedication of the person toward diligent low-impact exercise (keeping an active lifestyle, not being sedentary), musculo-skeletal maintenance (deep tissue massage, regular chiro adjustments, PT), and even diet. An anti-inflammatory diet can be the difference between feeling okay and not for some people. I'm sure the same is true of dogs.

If you do chiro or acupuncture, I would look for a vet who's trained in those techniques. One of my older dogs is getting great results for his arthritis from acupuncture at his vet clinic.

AFAIK, there's no research yet on Adequan and back injuries...however...we know it moves through synovial fluid in the spine into joints, so it has to be getting to the right place where it theoretically could help prevent arthritis of the spine, which is quite common with disc degeneration. So it's one of those things where if your xrays show arthritic changes starting, and your vet is on board to try it, you'll know in a month if it's any use or not. I would still do PT and the other stuff though because you want to get it from different angles, as there's more than arthritis to worry about....but the Adequan might help preserve what you can and delay further arthritic degeneration.
 

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Agree with Moms and Tim. Don't know your resources and priorities but if it were my dog, he's only 6, I'd get an MRI to find out exactly what's going on with his spine. Rest certainly won't hurt and I'd eliminate any jumping up. If it's just a bulging disc, I'd find the best chiropractor who can offer decompression of the segment. Having had a 3 level spine fusion, I know Tim is correct in his statement that scar tissue is formed in any spinal surgery and often will impinge upon the nerve that the removed tissue was impinging upon. Stenosis or a herniated disc may require surgery but you have no idea w/o imaging.
 

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Just wentthrough the same thing with my 6 year old. He was dragging or offloading hisrear left leg. Took him to our vet they did x-rays and thought it was a tornACL but referred us to a specialist (VOSM vosm.com ) After theexamination at VOSM they recommended an MRI to determine the root cause. Itturned out to be 2 herniated discs in his lower lumbar. He was also diagnosedwith an extra vertebra. On Tuesday June 12th Krieger had hissurgery. He spent 2 days at the center and was able to return home on Thursdaythe 15th. For the next month he is confined to one room, onlybathroom walks and well medicated. All is well at this point; the hardest thingis slowing his drive down. Good luck!!!
 

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Thank you everyone for all the great advice. I will ask about/look into it all. I tentatively have the MRI scheduled Tuesday, but I think it's safe to hold off to. do more research first. The vet left me a message today that the surgery would be around $4000 depending on what they find of course. Does this seem right from your experience?
 

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Thank you everyone for all the great advice. I will ask about/look into it all. I tentatively have the MRI scheduled Tuesday, but I think it's safe to hold off to. do more research first. The vet left me a message today that the surgery would be around $4000 depending on what they find of course. Does this seem right from your experience?
Initial vet visit and x rays - $1200.00
MRI specialist - $2000.00
Surgery - $4400.00


Krieger is getting around good so far 4 days post surgery.
 

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If you decide to do the MRI, call around and shop prices -- even if it means driving a little further than you planned. I found a $500 difference in quotes among different places when I needed one for the rescue. Human MRI centers sometimes do them on dogs off-hours. The vet schools also do them.
 

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Three years ago my dog was diagnosed with 7 herniated discs-had the MRI done and it was 2500-probably could have had it done cheaper somewhere else-at the time they said she was not a candidate for surgery-had a second opinion and they said they would do surgery-however would do a second MRI and select the most serious discs-they said it might help or could get worse-in between the 2 apts I started PT and predisone there was an improvement and I decided not to do surgery. She has done well and been stable since then-recently has started to struggle. I have an awesome PT vet-Rorie loves them and they have kept her going and doing well. I don't regret not doing the surgery.
 

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Three years ago my dog was diagnosed with 7 herniated discs-had the MRI done and it was 2500-probably could have had it done cheaper somewhere else-at the time they said she was not a candidate for surgery-had a second opinion and they said they would do surgery-however would do a second MRI and select the most serious discs-they said it might help or could get worse-in between the 2 apts I started PT and predisone there was an improvement and I decided not to do surgery. She has done well and been stable since then-recently has started to struggle. I have an awesome PT vet-Rorie loves them and they have kept her going and doing well. I don't regret not doing the surgery.
Thanks you, glad it's working out for your dog. With doing PT, did you still need the MRI?

I think because he's not bad, doesn't seem to have pain, and if anything seems to be doing better that I'm leaning towards trying the steroids for 2 weeks before moving to something else.
 

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I am not sure how helpful the MRI was other than to diagnosis what was wrong-I think I could have done the PT without the MRI and put the $ towards the PT-they would require an MRI for surgery-the predisone has also helped-I think
 

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I am not sure how helpful the MRI was other than to diagnosis what was wrong-I think I could have done the PT without the MRI and put the $ towards the PT-they would require an MRI for surgery-the predisone has also helped-I think
Thanks. Some things I’ve read recommend the MRI regardless of surgery or PT so they know what they are dealing with. Appreciate the help.
 

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A bulging disc is serious. Sometimes treatment helps, other times it will be surgery. For me personally after a year of pain, I am pain free because of the surgery. But not until they took the MRI as to know for sure. I think with dogs it is not any different.
Maybe shop around for the best "deal". Hope you have insurance.
 

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A friend is using CBD oil for her dog with great results
 
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A friend is using CBD oil for her dog with great results
I read about this, I have some I bought, but I’ve held of trying it for some reason. I haven read anything negative, I’m not sure what I’m worried about. Although if it’s only for the pain, he seems ok if I keep him from being active.

I’m waiting to hear from Dogwood Vet, I’ve been trying for two days to talk to the vet, yesterday I got an assistant to respond, but I can’t seem to get the vet to call me. They are telling my this could be $7000 and won’t even let me talk to the vet. I know he is busy, but I have questions I didn’t know to ask when I was there. And if I have to wait to go for the MRI I really want to start on steroids right away to see if that helps.
 

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I got quoted around 3600.00 for an MRI in Texas.

My dog hurt her disc a bit earlier this year, dont know if it went to full o n bulge but it did get better after many weeks of rest
 
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