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Praise (reward) the effort not only the result!

When training I often find myself praising the effort and not necessarily only the result. The reason being is that I want the dog to understand that it is the effort that ultimately creates the desired result. NOTE: (Once learned this all changes)

This allows the puppy to build confidence in itself as it realizes that if it tries to do what is being requested and puts in the effort, it will continue to improve (with guidance as necessary) to the point in which it succeeds.

This starts to validate in the puppies mind its abilities (self esteem)(proud puppy strutting around knowing it has accomplished something) and encourages the puppy to seek out more challenges!


I have found that if I do not do this (only reward result), the puppy may look for validation from others (pack/people) rather than from itself, thus resulting in the lack of self confidence.

A confident puppy more often than not IMO is more desirable and better performing in intelligence, temperament and utility.

Some may agree and others might not. Tell us all what and how you build confidence in a puppy? :wink2:
 

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Horse training but exactly the same concept!

Gooday M8 - TY for sharing.... Is that you in the Video? :wink2:

I have now learned my first lesson (horse training) for my next life... :grin2: who would have thunk it? Again TY for sharing the vid.

To me the effort is as important as the result.... I can normally get the result if the puppy will put in the effort.

P.S. We have now confirmed CROCKS in Florida USA of all places.
 

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Nope not me but a horseman I greatly admire! Dog and Horse training are mostly interchangeable, which I think is why I haven't completely stuffed my puppy up yet LOL
 

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I recently moved to The Horse Capital of the WORLD Ocala, FL. and have been thinking about the very subject. I visit a horse farm or four a week in search of the horses I want for my family. In doing so I meet the breeders, the trainers and horse people in general. I often times do see the similarities between the two and find my self discussing them. I have yet to obtain the horses we will buy to become a part of our family or select the trainer that we will utilize for the purpose of turning the horses into well behaved animals. I hope that what I have learned in dog training will assist in my understanding of the process and after watching the video you have shared, and listening to some of the trainers, that very well may be. Again TY for sharing. Is this the method you are using with your Puppy?
 

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Another question...

Have you worked with this particular trainer or another utilizing the same type method?
 

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Having been a horse trainer and clinician for 25yrs,o would suggest learning while you have your horses trained.. By that I mean hands on.. Horses are prey animals and while the method of 'make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard' and 'reward the smallest try' apply, getting the body to cooperate and reading the horses body language, takes time..

Definitely think you are doing the right thing already by visiting and talking to prospective trainers. This is good! The above paragraph applies more for the riding, care and handling of the horses.. I've had hundreds of people tell me they have read such and such, watched the videos of such and such etc (which is all good by the way), so they should be ok to ride and what not... Nope.. Having the concept of what to do is excellent but only a starting point. Getting the body to cooperate, timing, reading of horse, balance, etc is another..

I'm sure you are aware of this, but I figured I would throw it out there as it is a common misconception and others who might be interested in horses get a bit of info as well :).. What breed(s) are looking at? Are you looking to do a specific discipline or just ride for fun?
 

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Another question...

Have you worked with this particular trainer or another utilizing the same type method?
I haven't worked with him, I had the opportunity to go to a couple of clinics but wasn't able to pull the funds together both times. He is based in the US and regularly travels around the world. He offers an online subscription that is worth its weight in gold however!

I do train my puppy using some of the same principles, but also clicker training.
 

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I haven't worked with him, I had the opportunity to go to a couple of clinics but wasn't able to pull the funds together both times. He is based in the US and regularly travels around the world. He offers an online subscription that is worth its weight in gold however!

I do train my puppy using some of the same principles, but also clicker training.
Awesome info! I hope things are going well for you and the puppy.
 

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I clicked on the link quoted, it plays fine? She's not praising effort there, she's encouraging holding something like the correct stand for a certain time. The effort is coming from desire for the reward and making it clear what earns it and what doesn't. Its a little different then what yer talking about ipo.
 

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and what is this? The owner of the video does not allow it to be used as you have done so. :nerd: not only should it be a rules violation to do so here but it may go as far as being illegal!

PS: Not to be rude, but it is YOU'RE not your... Hope this helps!
You can't play it on a mobile devices but you can watch it on YouTube. Search for "Cindy and Endy." They have a few videos up there. They are Leerberg. That video is using negative markers.
 

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I clicked on the link quoted, it plays fine? She's not praising effort there, she's encouraging holding something like the correct stand for a certain time. The effort is coming from desire for the reward and making it clear what earns it and what doesn't. Its a little different then what yer talking about ipo.
Thank you for doing that! I clicked (I usually don't) and a warning came up stating that the owner does not allow it to be utilized outside of it's domain!
 

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You can't play it on a mobile devices but you can watch it on YouTube. Search for "Cindy and Endy." They have a few videos up there. They are Leerberg. That video is using negative markers.
LuvShepherds,

With all due respect, I ask that you please refrain from speaking/typing to me (OUT in dog training language (my existence/presence) it means leave it or let it go for those who do not know) or simply understand I will ignore your comments moving forward. I have been accused (Admin Warning), well let's just leave it at that! I would prefer to agree to disagree and both of us carry on.

Sorry for asking who the breeder was who got 150-200 emails a day you referenced in your post and continuing the conversation to the degree in which we did. I am simply one that if I say something, I am prepared/obliged to provide/show the source in which I am referencing as necessary for all to see.

Cheerio M8 and Best wishes to you and yours! :grin2:
 

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They don't want it embedded on other websites. Your quote changed it to a link, so it takes you to the video.
I believe this would be the proper (legal) method in which to share said content.

Also, thank you for sharing your observation with regard to the content. :wink2:

I am asking what and why other people are using to accomplish this extremely important training with their dogs.

Mamma always said "Patience is a virtue" so I'll be patient! I love to learn!

Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day!
 

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LuvShepherds,

With all due respect, I ask that you please refrain from speaking/typing to me (OUT in dog training language (my existence/presence) it means leave it or let it go for those who do not know) or simply understand I will ignore your comments moving forward. I have been accused (Admin Warning), well let's just leave it at that! I would prefer to agree to disagree and both of us carry on.

Sorry for asking who the breeder was who got 150-200 emails a day you referenced in your post and continuing the conversation to the degree in which we did. I am simply one that if I say something, I am prepared/obliged to provide/show the source in which I am referencing as necessary for all to see.


Cheerio M8 and Best wishes to you and yours! :grin2:
Ipopro were you aware of the block feature?You can go to your page and put in the member's name and you will never see their posts.This being a public forum all are free to respond to each other.
 

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I try to be very careful to not praise incorrect. I don't think I'd be able to praise effort without creating grey areas where he'd offer partial responses to specific commands. It can be tough enough maintaining things when the leash and toy are gone. With that said, I praise why'll I'm playing or doing other things that don't require any real specific behavior but just encourage him to be attentive to me enough that were having fun together.
 
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