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My plan is to show Seger in July at an SV show. I hear that the judges don't like the general body conditions of working line. To thin, to muscular, etc.

What is the premium body condition for show?
 

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I have done some SV ring training and went the the WDA Seiger show last year. I heard the opposite about muscling/body weight, although we weren't specifically discussing working lines. I have been told that judges want lean, well-muscled, powerful appearing dogs. The prep for these big shows involves a lot of conditioning with weight pulling, hill work, even underwater treadmill. I'll be going to a much smaller SV show here later this month and will see how it differs.
 

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I know this is a bit off your topic, but my WL is a bit shorter in the body compared to my SL, is that a comon difference as well.
 

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I have done some SV ring training and went the the WDA Seiger show last year. I heard the opposite about muscling/body weight, although we weren't specifically discussing working lines. I have been told that judges want lean, well-muscled, powerful appearing dogs. The prep for these big shows involves a lot of conditioning with weight pulling, hill work, even underwater treadmill. I'll be going to a much smaller SV show here later this month and will see how it differs.
Seger will be in the 18-24 class. Not sure how much muscle is expected to be on that age group as they are just starting to fill out?

As far as conditioning, he'll be swimming in ponds and biking (which where I live is ALL hill work!)
 

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Hey jax. A judge is looking for a strong substantial dog that can trott all day.
So lean and muscular and full of drive. I know sl breeders which work their dogs 5-8 miles twice a day weeks leading into a show


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Does anyone have any pictures of a working line male 18 mths in the show ring?
 

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Seger will be in the 18-24 class. Not sure how much muscle is expected to be on that age group as they are just starting to fill out?

As far as conditioning, he'll be swimming in ponds and biking (which where I live is ALL hill work!)
I'm not sure what the expectation is honestly. I got some flack for my 10 month old being too lanky and thin. Some people put a lot of time and money (underwater treadmill) conditioning young dogs. I just prefer to let my dog be a puppy without worrying about building muscle for show deadlines. If I decide to enter him in this show he will also be in the 18-24 month group, and his conditioning is running with me (which doesn't count for much), light biking until he's older, swimming, fetch, frisbee, agility, playing with the other dogs, etc. He has good muscle tone now but has a lot of filling out to do. Here's some pics I took of the 12-18 month old males at the Sieger show:







Lots of variation. I think the muscle tone/conditioning will effect group placement but not the overall rating. All of those dogs were SG rated.
 

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Sorry I don't have any working line pics in that age group. Out of the entire Seiger show, the only time I saw any working lines was when I talked to the working club that set up the bite work, and they were just along for the ride.
 

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Thank you for the pictures. My working line looks very different. I'm really looking for working line pictures if possible.
 

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I have these pics of a 2 year old WL being stacked in ring training. The SV show here is the 26th and there should be more WLs since it's being hosted by a WL schutzhund club. I'll get some (better quality) pics and share them then.



 

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Perfect! Thank you so much!
 

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If you remind (pm) me next week I can try to take some pics at the regional show for you. They will probably just be from my cell - but my male will be showing in the 12-18 month class. He is very lanky.
 

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Oh thank you! I'll set a reminder for me. lol
 

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Lol - Show is a week from this Saturday (NW Regional). Maybe I will try to take some video too. I forgot to last year at the show. Although last year I had my own personal photographer (Cassidy's Mom) ;)
 

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awww...So Debbie dropped the ball on the video! Got it! ;)
 

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Pan got two SG ratings (one from an SV judge from Germany) between age 12-24mos. I don't have any stacked photos of him from either show since I was taking pictures at both, but this was him soon after his first show, and then shortly before his second show:



I don't have any good movement pics of him. We actually did some hi def video of both my dogs moving on pavement so we could slow it down and evaluate the movement, but Pan tweaked something during flyball that day (we were recording in the parking lot) and had a bit of a stutter step so I trashed his video clips.

In my opinion, the judges want to see a dog muscled but LEAN, especially if it's an SV judge from Germany. They will berate a dog up and down if it looks even 1/4 a lb overweight. In Pan's first show, the SV judge was very very picky on size/height as well. I think the USCA judges (or at least certain one(s) in particular) will be a LOT more lenient on height/size so it will depend on the judge. For a Seiger show, the top contenders are being conditioned for like 2 hours a day leading up to the show, but the amount of exercise the dog will do in a club or even regional show in the USA is a fraction of what the working class does in a Seiger show.
 

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It's an SV judge. Wolfgang Lauber.

Thanks so much Lies. That was very helpful. Sounds like if I just bike him in preparation for the AD we should be fine. Seger is tall. He's over 25"

Pan is so handsome.
 

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Yep some AD roadwork would be fine. I never did any specific conditioning for shows, other than *myself* since it's a lot of running! But if you're already doing AD stuff, training, etc, he should be fine. Doing flyball, IPO, agility, and also training for their ADs was enough for my dogs. All of them always got the highest rating available for their class and that was satisfactory for me.
 
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