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I have Haus of Rocks Akeemi Dvora who is Czech and Ando Ethen who is German for the most part. They are our pets and we don't want to add more unwanted dogs to the system. All of our other dogs are strays, we live in the country and have no SPCA so folk just drop the pets they don't want on the highway. Its really is sick but it's how it is. Anyway, all our pets are fixed but these two. We want only one litter from Akeemi than get her spayed but want to do this as late in her life as we can. Ando is sweet and always willing to please, Akeemi is sweet but a normal Czech so she is hard for me to train. We only want one litter, is this a good match by bloodline? If we don't use Ando to breed with Akeemi we will have him fixed to ensure no unwanted pups or fear of a mating we don't want. We also want to know what age is the oldest for Akeemi to have her first and only litter. We have had many pets but they were always fixed so this is new to us. Thanks
 

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They are our pets and we don't want to add more unwanted dogs to the system.
Then don't breed unless your dogs have the necessary working titles, certifications and ratings. It's very unlikely that you happen to have a male and female that truly complement each other in terms of genetics.

Before you breed.....please consider all the ramifications - Save Our Shepherds - German Shepherd Rescue
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/thinking-about-becoming-breeder/149386-should-i-breed-my-dog-flowchart.html

I really like this quote from SOS:
Save Our Shepherds is not against breeding dogs. We just feel that breeding should be left to those that are doing it right...not by commercial puppy mills, and not by well-intentioned people who just love their dog. Breeding should only be undertaken with health certified, titled dogs of stable temperament and stellar pedigrees and with the final goal being improvement of the breed.
 

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Well, Akeemi has been in training for the last 5 weeks. They might keep her up to 8 weeks but than she should be at the point for obedience title. Ando is much easier to train so I am working with him daily. This really is all being done to make them good family pets and now that the kids are gone its my thing. X-rays were done on Ando on export from the Czech Republic and Akeemi will have them done. Akeemi has only the best line so I don't think it will be a issue, this is why I paid what I paid for the dogs. My husband LOVES Akeemi and wants one pup from her to keep her alive always. The mix is what I'm not sure of, will Akeemi have pups with Ando that are too watered down? Her drive is what is so fine, I want to keep that in the pup we keep when she is older.
 

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If you have to ask questions like this you shouldn't be breeding

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I wish you the best of luck with training. I think you are going about it in the right way if you are pursuing titles, getting hips/elbows done and making sure your female is of age when she is bred. I would consider outside studs though, if you are unsure of your male. Do you have a trainer or breeder that can mentor or help you make a decision on the stud when the time comes?
 

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No, I don't. We love Akeemi so much and would love to have her forever. We decided to pay for a pro to do her training and not take a chance and mess her up. We were told to breed her down, Czech lines are harder to work with if your not experienced. We got Ando not necessary to breed but due to the fact he is so easy to train and a great dog. Todd, my husband thinks Akeemi needs to be with a Czech, I want to not only have a pup good in sport and police work but a great, smart family pet. I think Ando would blend her down, but we are looking at this in 5 or so years down the road.
 

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Keep training and learning. If you can, try to find a good mentor to help you through this process. It can make a world of a difference to have a good guide on your side. Glad to see this is way out in the future and you have lots of time to get to that point.
 

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I think Ando is a great dog but want to have him fixed soon if it is better to have a Czech stud for Akeemi. He will live longer and reduce risk of cancer.
What is the oldest for a femail to have her first litter?
 

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A female can potentially have a litter on her first heat. But please wait till she is at least 2, has hips/elbows done and has some working titles. It's not advisable to breed a young female below 2 years.
Oldest really depends...
My mentor tends to retire breeding females around 7 or 8.
 

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You have some time to work her and let her mature before you decide what to do. She is too young to even know if she will be suitable for breeding. I would hope with a few years of training and, at the very least, a schtuzhund 1 and a koer rating. Right now she is only a puppy-what training would she be sent of for at this age of her life?

The states have been flooded with Czech dogs, so that is nothing rare and there are a number of breeders with solid experience with the Czech lines. She looks to be 1/4 West German working line already. .

Stay on the forum. Cliffson is a member here who has a lot of knowledge on the Czech lines. Many of us have full 100% Czech dogs or Czech x West German Working blends...I am not sure how difficult to train? A little longer to mature, perhaps? I don't have the expertise to say......
 

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the bloodlines of both dogs are relatively common in the US....therefore there are many "cousins" around....I have seen quite a few progeny from the second generation here and there....

As far as training - it takes alot of time and effort to train a dog far enough to truly evaluate it for breedworthiness....years - the minimum age to try for the IPO1 is 18 months old - and very very few people accomplish a title at that age without consistent daily training in at least 2 of the 3 phases! Most dogs get titled between 2.5 and 4 - some people take even longer, especially if they are novices....

Hips and elbows should be evaluated at 2 by OFA for any breeding animal, regardless of titles....I have seen very experienced people and even experienced vets evaluate x-rays and then have seen OFA fail those x-rays....even know of one dog whose x-rays were sent to a major vet school for evaluation by board certified Vet Radiologists (2 of whom WERE OFA evaluators) after failing OFA and were judged as 'Fair" with poor positioning, but owner did not redo and resubmit....so officially, the dog failed....for breeding, I believe you must do the OFA (or German 'a' stamp) to have any credibility at all - and for the sake of the pups!!!!

Your little girl is very pretty and nicely bred - put the time and effort into training her and your male and in several years, you will have much more perspective and experience under your belt to evaluate their breeding potential.

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A big reservation with this breeding would also be the other pups in the litter. The way the people around you treat their dogs, what would happen to the other 6-9 puppies that your bitch would produce? What kind of life will they have? Are they going to be dumped on the side of the road once they are too much to handle also?

What the others are saying is true, the people that search out Czech dogs and know what they are talking about, go to breeders that cover all their bases (including titling and health certifications. The people that you're going to sell those other dogs to, are looking for a German Shepherd, most likely a dark sable because its the popular color right now, and then they'll end up with who knows what. You yourself have no idea what would come out of this breeding, your girl is too hard for you to train and you sent her off to someone else, and although the male is easy to train, genetics don't work the way we want to. Some of the pups might have your girls personality, others will have the males, and some of the others might be a blend, but how would you know? Are you knowledgeable enough to figure out which ones have what personality at 8 weeks of age?

I think you asked a very good question, with really good intention, but you really have to think about everything involved in breeding your bitch. And if you're looking for a stud (that's not your boy) you won't get a very good one because the best stud owners only breed to the best bitches they can find, as progeny is very important to a stud's future breeding opportunities and if that stud produces bad pups (even through the fault of the female involved) no one is going to care and they'll think twice about using him again.
 

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No, I don't. We love Akeemi so much and would love to have her forever. We decided to pay for a pro to do her training and not take a chance and mess her up. We were told to breed her down, Czech lines are harder to work with if your not experienced. We got Ando not necessary to breed but due to the fact he is so easy to train and a great dog. Todd, my husband thinks Akeemi needs to be with a Czech, I want to not only have a pup good in sport and police work but a great, smart family pet. I think Ando would blend her down, but we are looking at this in 5 or so years down the road.
I am sorry, but there will always be only one Akeemi. Any puppy she produces will not be her. Puppies have their own personalities. There is no way to breed and produce another Akeemi. There will only be similarities, and sometimes there may not even be any.

Take everyone's advice. Just ask your breeder for a pup similar to her, or even ask for a pup from one of her parents.

Regardless, there will only be one Akeemi.
 

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You are receiving good advice:) you are not going to get a clone of your dog by breeding her:) I just bred my ZVV1 Gabbi Morika Bohemia to Erri. I would love to have another Gabbi but short of finding a littermate not going to happen.I bred her in hopes of producing a litter with the drive and temperament for police work and SAR. Pups are are blend. And even with both parents having the drive and temperament that I desire other is no guarantee that the pups will. Just have to wait and see. My point is that breeding your dog in hopes of totally reproducing her is unrealistic .as far as Czech lines being hard to work with I do not agree. They have what I need for work. The dogs must be stable however and there are unstable dogs in all lines. One must judge the individual:)
 

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I wish you all the luck in your training and titles with your dogs.
I have been breeding and studing pedigrees for many years and am far from knowing enough.
Here are a few things to think about
Thing to ask your self is If i breed my dog can I and will I be responsible for every puppy she has for the rest of the puppies life.
what if the buyers need puppies replaced ? what will you do if you only bred one time.
You will not get a replica of her by breeding her so in the long run if you love her then return to the breeder you got her from to get another.
as for health she should be at least 2 years old and clear hips and elbows certified ( not just a vet says they are ok).
Also though the test is not the end all be all Ory IT pups have seem to all come in as a DM carrier or at risk for DM you should test your female if you really decide to breed her and then make sure that she is bred to a clear male if you decide to breed her.
Finally I will say this breeding an older female who has not had puppies is very hard on them and the older they get the more the chance of them having a problem.
As a breeder we have given discounts to repeat customers so that they can just enjoy there family members and not have to worry about breeding just to get there next pup. If the line was really super the breeder will keep that line around and I am sure you would be able to go back and get a dog of relation that you will also love and be very happy with.
If you would like to chat over the phone we welcome phone calls and we are happy to help you in any way that we can. I am always happy to chat pedigrees and pass any info I have.
Malinda
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