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... being able to own up to your mistakes.

Hi, my name is Lauri and while I AM a responsible breeder I am also human and I made a STUPID mistake!!

I can't explain why I did what I did. It was a momentary lapse in brain power that may have consequences but I am owning up to them right away.

My Chinese Crested bitch, Kaynya, is in season. I have 3 intact males living in the house with us (and her) - Mauser (GSD) and 2 boys from her previous litters - Spike who is 3 and Fuego who is 1. She has been through seasons before with these boys here and we've had no problems keeping them separated.

Now before anyone panics - no, Mauser did NOT get to Kaynya!

On Friday one of Kaynya's puppies came to spend the weekend. Clark is from her last litter (Fuego's brother), is just over a year old and is intact. I co-own Clark and was hoping to show him. He has been having issues with chewing on his hair so we were waiting to see if he outgrew it.

Yesterday afternoon I was rotating dogs. Kaynya went out for a quick potty then she came in and the rest of the gang went outside. I didn't want to leave Clark outside too long so I waited and then brought just him inside. I walked into the house and set him down, then went into the kitchen to get something.

Two minutes. That's all it took. I suddenly realized that Kaynya was loose and so was Clark and when I turned around they were tied. :(

I refuse to do the mismate shot (too many risks) and I do not want to spay her (personal choice).

So, I'm HOPING that she doesn't get pregnant. I'm hoping that it was too early in her cycle (it's close though) and I'm hoping that since it was Clark's "first time" he didn't have much in the way of sperm count.

BUT - I'm also already preparing for the chance of her being pregnant.

Fuego & Clark's litter was a repeat of Spikes and it is a line breeding. I'm going to go dig out the pedigrees and see HOW close it was.
 

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May low sperm count and out-of-sych cycle be visited upon your household. If wishes would make it come true, I'm sure you'd be in the clear.

Unfortunately sperm remains viable for a while - I forget how long.
I worry having an intact bitch and I've only gone through two heat cycles with her.
 

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Respect for admitting it. There is a big difference between a breeder who is responsible with an accidental litter vs your regular joe with an accidental litter.


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Lauri- When you catch them tied what do you do?
I'm thinking I would begin shocked yelling "no! no! off! off! get away!!" waving my hands around like a lunatic. I've heard many stories about bitches needing to be muzzled during mating and wondering if that behavior would get one bit. Also, since they have already tied... well does it matter how long?
 

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IT seems like the linebreeding shouldn't be so much a concern--either way it is INbreeding.

What are you going to do if she is pregnant? I'm not sure what the possible health issues that can crop up from this kind of breeding with dogs.
 

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Respect for admitting it. There is a big difference between a breeder who is responsible with an accidental litter vs your regular joe with an accidental litter.


Stupid question alert

Lauri- When you catch them tied what do you do?
I'm thinking I would begin shocked yelling "no! no! off! off! get away!!" waving my hands around like a lunatic. I've heard many stories about bitches needing to be muzzled during mating and wondering if that behavior would get one bit. Also, since they have already tied... well does it matter how long?
When I turned around and saw them I didn't think he was tied so I started to yell "ACK!". When I realized they were tied I knew it was too late.

I sat down on the floor and held Kaynya because she was trying to pull away. Forcing dogs apart after they have tied can actually break the males penis.

Dogs don't HAVE to tie to pass the sperm to the female. There are what is called 'outside' ties. The male's penis has bulbs on the side. When he penetrates the female the bulbs enlarge and keep the penis 'locked' inside the female - aka tied.

Sometimes the tie doesn't happen but the sperm are passed anyway.

Some females do not WANT to be bred and have to be muzzled and such.
 

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IT seems like the linebreeding shouldn't be so much a concern--either way it is INbreeding.

What are you going to do if she is pregnant? I'm not sure what the possible health issues that can crop up from this kind of breeding with dogs.
IF she is pregnant the puppies have the potential to either get the very best of both parents or the very WORST.

The only good thing about this is that Clark is a Powder Puff. Breeding a Hairless to a Hairless is a calculated risk to begin with. Doing it so close (inbreeding) would be a serious problem.

Kaynya's temperament is 100% perfect. She is extremely outgoing, loves EVERYONE and is very dog friendly. Her eyes are checked every year (CCs are prone to eye issues) and she has VERY good teeth for a hairless (the hairless gene causes teeth issues). She has nice structure and comes from very good lines.

It will be a tough decision on what to do if she IS pregnant. While I do have several people waiting for puppies, I don't like having winter litters with the Cresteds (the puppies would be ready the beginning of December) because it can make housebreaking hard. The pups, especially the hairless ones, cannot take very cold temperatures.

It also makes it harder to get them out and socialize them and they can become shy if you don't take them out.
 

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...Forcing dogs apart after they have tied can actually break the males penis.

Dogs don't HAVE to tie to pass the sperm to the female. There are what is called 'outside' ties. The male's penis has bulbs on the side. When he penetrates the female the bulbs enlarge and keep the penis 'locked' inside the female - aka tied...
:sick: Added to the list of reasons I'll never be a breeder. Still good info to have if you ever catch 2 dogs tied.
 

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Lauri, you are going about this all the wrong way. You need to pretend you are excited about the possibility of her being pregnant. Pretend that this was a very carefully thought out mating and you've waited along time for it.

Thinking along those lines, she won't be pregnant.
 

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Oh Ok. I was a little confused at the wording. Here's hoping the boy was shooting blanks! Keep us posted.

Lauri, you are going about this all the wrong way. You need to pretend you are excited about the possibility of her being pregnant. Pretend that this was a very carefully thought out mating and you've waited along time for it.

Thinking along those lines, she won't be pregnant.
Lol exactly. Go ahead and start taking deposits; then you'll be guaranteed to have no pups.
 

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If she is pregnant may I suggest that consider requiring all puppies to be spayed amd neutered? I definitely don't see any good coming out of the puppies breeding down the line.
 

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Behind every cloud is a silver lining.

If she IS pregnant and has a litter, you will likely see what ressessive genes the pair of them have. It is not all that uncommon for people to do this with an up and coming stud, just to know the the youngster is likely to produce. I don't think I will, but I would not get too worked up about it.

I think that when the female is receptive, she is much less likely to require a muzzle. But even if you do generally muzzle, after the tie, the muzzle can generally be removed. No chance at separating them if tied, that could hurt them. the bulbs swell, and I think the female's ring of muscle contracts, and well, I think both parties can be injured if you try pulling them apart.

Look at the bright side, if it was GSDs, she would MOST DEFINITELY be pregnant, and she would have 14 puppies.
 

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Sue, I'm kinda surprised you didn't read Lauri the riot act since we all know your 'stance' on "oops" litters:))


Anyhoo,,can you imagine the mix of Mauser and her?? LOL,,what would they be called, crestasheppies:)) Sorry didn't mean to make light of it:)

Bummer, but I know whatever happens they will be in the best possible hands:)
 

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Sue, I'm kinda surprised you didn't read Lauri the riot act since we all know your 'stance' on "oops" litters:))
Me too, I was thinking "uh oh, wait until Selzer reads this, Lauri's gonna get it!!"

The more I see of Chinese Cresteds, the more I like them. I'd almost be tempted to take one of these puppies, since I wouldn't be interested in breeding or anything like that. So let's all *hope* she's pregnant, and by so doing, the breeding will not take. :)

I know a lady who breeds collies, and had an accidental brother/sister mating. Unfortunately, both dogs were merle, so about half the pups had some degree of blindness/deafness. Apart from the double merle issue, the pups turned out very nice and a couple of them were placed in show homes. I don't think they had any health problems other than what is caused by double merle.
 

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Sue, I'm kinda surprised you didn't read Lauri the riot act since we all know your 'stance' on "oops" litters:))
And she would have been well within her rights to read me the riot act. I'm STILL chastising myself for doing something SO stupid!!

Anyhoo,,can you imagine the mix of Mauser and her?? LOL,,what would they be called, crestasheppies:))
Well, if the act of breeding didn't kill poor Kaynya and carrying the litter didn't kill her - she would either have miniature GSDs, Giant Chinese Cresteds or some mutant mix of hairless German Crested Shepherds!!! :O
 

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If she is pregnant may I suggest that consider requiring all puppies to be spayed amd neutered? I definitely don't see any good coming out of the puppies breeding down the line.
That's going to be a problem. I don't believe in spay and neuter unless it's for health reasons.

They will be sold on limited registrations and I will recommend vasectomies for the males after they physically mature (around a year).

I would also be VERY picky who gets a female. Wish I knew a vet in my area that did Tubals on females!
 
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