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Steroids are horrible
try benadryl
 

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Hi littledmc. Thanks for the reply.

Assume I don't want to do the Benadryl (or that it has tried and failed). So what I actually want are natural rememdies to help bolster the immune system and counteract the inflammation.

One could even assume vaccinosis.

And not just "try fish oil"...I have. I would love to know dosages and heavy duty regimens.

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Is there a holistic vet in your area? It would be good to start with detoxing the organs etc first, f.e. with chinese or western herbs, or look for a pract. that does <u>classical</u> homeopathy and can also give you guidance about natural diet etc.

It's not gonna be a quick fix. You don't just throw in a couple supplements and see immediate results- it might take years. You have to provide the best possible diet (home made if possible) and most def. avoid all vaccinations and pestice products (HW, flea/tick stuff). My girl took over 2 years until she was cured of her hotspots, swelling in the armpits, chronic eardischarge and "grass allergy". She wasn't cured bc of the supplements, they only helped to help herself, along with the diet and avoiding additional toxins.
Fish oil recom. I believe is 1g per 10lb bodyweight for inflamm. conditions. I'd also look into spirulina.
 

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I tried everything on Kaio that the vet gave me, he was itching and chewing horribly. Benadryl didn't work and neither did prednisone.
I now give him 1TBS of vinegar per day. I found out about it on a website. He doesn't itch or chew anymore and his coat is gowing back where he had chewed himself bald in places.
 

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Here is Belfield's allergy program (www.belfield.com), from an email that someone sent me about 10 years ago:

For an Adult, Medium (20-50 lb) dog, give the following with the dog's meal:

Vitamin C: 1,500 to 3,000 mg (for a 45 lb dog, I'd give 2,700 mg)

Vitamin E: 200 I.U.

Comprehensive vit/min supplement (I use Theralin VMP vit/min tablets by Lambert Kay - you can get them cheapest from Cherrybrook 1-800-524-0820) Dose is 1 tablet per 20 lbs per instructions on the bottle. I STRONGLY suggest that you use only Theralin VMP. An owner who used a less comprehensive vit/min found that her dog did not respond for 3 weeks longer than any other dog on the program.

Also give BYS (garlic/yeast tablets) It's loaded with B vitamins. Also from Cherrybrook - Dose is 1 tablet per 10 pounds per instructions on the bottle. A side benefit is that it gives the dog's skin a smell that fleas and ticks find offensive, so they tend to stay off the dog. People cannot smell anything different.

I get the C & E at the drugstore. Don't bother to buy C with rose hips, according to Belfield it does nothing to help the C work. I do, however, buy the brand that says on the label, "No soy, no sugar, no preservatives, etc." Do not buy time released vitamin C. [Belfield actually uses sodium ascorbate.]

Give the above with food as vitamins are absorbed better that way and the food buffers the dog's stomach against the acidity of the vitamin C. If the dog's stool becomes mushy, it's the C. Back down on the dose and gradually over a week or so build it back up to the proper level.

The supplement program takes 5 weeks to totally strengthen the dog's immune system. I've seen dogs respond in a week and heard of one case where it took a Great Dane 7 weeks.


Modifications that can be used....

I used Vetriscience's Canine Plus multivitamin and Missing Link, and that worked like a charm. (Assuming no allergies to the ingredients in either of the two -- my GSD is allergic to brewer's yeast, and some dogs can't handle flax.)

I know someone else that got her dog off of steroids using Missing Link and the MegaC product that is sold on the Belfield site.

That BYS product above also contains zinc and biotin, very good for allergies: http://www.botanicaldog.com/proddetail.php?prod=BREWERS

I think a good bioflavanoid product also helps, this is the one I use: http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/Supplements/M003398.htm

Of course this is all based on a foundation of a good quality food that the dog is not allergic to.
 

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Hello. Thanks for the responses. Sorry for the delay!
Well my male licks his paws a fair amount. Chews them actually. Skin is very dry and the fish oil is just not helping. There are no thyroid issues as this has been tested.

At times there will be a terrible itchiness all over without sign of "anything" per se. No parasites.

We have used fish oil and probiotics on and off. Not likely on a regular enough basis to see a marked improvement.
 

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I have found the best thing to do is first figure out whether it is environmental allergies or food allergies. I've had dogs with sensitivities to certain food ingredients and as soon as you start using a food without those ingredients, they improve.
Changing foods also helped my Golden's seasonal allergies some, the symptoms were not as bad in the spring the year I had started using grain-free foods with her.
If it is environmental allergies you can also try to reduce exposure to the allergen or if it's something like pollen or grass where it is hard to reduce exposure, it can sometimes help to wipe them down after contact. I used non-medicated eyedrops for Ginger when she had her seasonal allergies and this helped to prevent eye infections triggered by her allergies. She was also allergic to some plants so I tried to wipe her down after she came inside to help remove any irritants from her fur.
 

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Switching to raw, minimizing pesticide exposure and balancing her immune system (through herbs for a few months at the beginning) was what cured my dog's allergies. Her allergies were environmental and resulted in poor skin quality and some nasty bacterial infections.

She was given a couple of Chinese herbs under the advisement of Marina Zacharias at http://www.naturalrearing.com/coda/contact.html#landing as well as soy hydrocortisone for the itching. (benadryl never did anything for her, but the soy hydrocortisone helped with the itching without any of the negative effects of typical steroids)

I also gave her concentrated high quality fish oil/vitamin e of course and continue to do so. (around 50 mg/lb total omega 3s)
 

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I would look at a good vitamin and mineral supplement. One with a high dose of sodium ascorbate. Prenvention Plus or Mega C Plus.
 

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For dogs, I would definitely recommend no grains and low starch -- tough unless you want to homecook or feed raw. The grainless is do-able, but they are typically higher starch.

I have had bad allergies since I was a kid. I have always required a multivitamin, lots of extra vitamin C, a B-50 complex, and a calcium/zinc/magnesium supplement. Those things made a huge difference decades ago when I first started them.

I still had to take allergy shots, but stopped them several years ago. I replaced them with
the NOW bioflavanoids product mentioned above: http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/Supplements/M003398.htm
and this when things are blooming and I'm sneezing a lot: http://www.hylands.com/products/hayfever.php
I know that Hylands has a number of allergy and sinus formulations, that might work just when there are flair-ups. I wouldn't use those for long term use. I just use them when the darn privets and cottonwoods are blooming...why oh why did the developer love those privets......yuck!
 

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Lisa, those particular plants grow fast and are cheap to buy. I would speculate that is the reson the developer loved them so.
 

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I suspect that you are right
I try so hard to keep Max from sticking his whole head into the bush on our walks when it's blooming, but he's such a dork....



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Has anyone noticed that when you type
it's singular, but
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Bromelian given away from meals is a natural anti-inflammatory,

Quercetin, is a natural anti-histamine,

Vitamin C benefits as an immune booster and therefore your dog's system is more resistant to environmental allergies. If giving Vitamin C make sure it is Sodium Acsorbate and not Asorbic acid.

Fish Oil works against allergies but has to be supplimented with Vitamin E otherwise your dog can develop a Vit E deficiency which will cause itchy dry skin.

Cider Vinegar helps internal and topical

Adding Olive Oil helps

Gelatin helps the body to use protien better and therefore improves the skin, and the condition of the blood allowing the dogs to fight infection and allergens better.

Good Luck
 

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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeowBraggs organic apple cider vinegar. Mix 1 to 1 with water and you can spray it on too.
Hmm, I wonder if this would work in a foot bath? My friends dog gets seasonal cysts in his paws that I suspect is from him frollicking in the woods. What's out there for allergens, I don't know but it's not his feed doing it becuase the cysts only come out in the spring/summer.
 

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Okay, I don't regularly watch Oprah, but that Dr.that is on there a lot said for foot problems in people, soak in regular black tea. Something about the tannins(?) In the tea.

When the weeds are dried up and bad in the yard, Max licks and his paws get all red and almost infected looking. So I tried the tea thing and it really did help.
 
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