German Shepherds Forum banner

1 - 20 of 34 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
My pup has just turned 1 and he seems to be extremely overweight at more or less 25kg.

I got him at 3 months old and Ive been struggling since then to find the right food to feed him. To this point I've already tried the following food:

1. Acana large breed puppy
2. RC maxi junior
3. Acana free run duck
4. Acana yorkshire pork
5. Acana grass fed lamb
6. Beef pro (local brand)
7. BARF diet
8. Orijen large breed puppy

You might ask why the several brands given in a span of less than a year. The reason was that he had severe diarrhea with Food 1, 2, 5 7 and 8. I know I shouldn't change his diet often but was forced to do it after noticing that his stool was not improving despite the lapse of several weeks after every change of diet. The transition was slow but still... he had diarrhea every time.

Food 3, 4 and 6 gave him solid stools for only a specific food measurement. Add a little more for him to gain weight, you'd see a very watery stool next. With these food, it was hard to help him get to his ideal weight.

Fecalysis turned out fine. Worms, giardia, etc. Were ruled out.

Transition from 1 food to another was properly made as well.

He's drinking the same water we drink.

Currently, he's been on acana lamb for 3 days and never had a solid stool.

Now at a loss as to what to give him next if this doesnt work out.

What are yout thoughts on this?

Thank you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,733 Posts
I have had bad luck with Orijen and Acana. They may simply be too rich for a lot of dogs. My current dog tolerated the food but had loose stools, which is odd for her, her coat looked horrible and I was over feeding to maintain weight. But over feeding many kibbles will cause loose stools. My dog has done fantastic on her current kibble but I was forewarned NOT to feed more then the recommended amount.
I don't like any of the RC foods and won't feed them unless I have a good reason.
You need to look at the current research with regards to grain free and DCM. I won't advise but you should at least have the knowledge.
Some dogs need lower protein, some need lower fat, some do best on a specific protein. Pork can be problematic for many dogs.
I am confused though, you say first that your dog is overweight and then that you are over feeding to have him gain weight?
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
177 Posts
Did you mean to say extremely overweight or underweight at the beginning of your post? 25kg = 55lbs I think.

My dog gained weight nicely with solid stools once I moved to raw. Currently about 93lbs at 18mo. Now that he is a bit older I find I can do about 2/3 raw and 1/3 kibble overall per day and he tolerates it fine. My plan is to move to about 1/2 and 1/2 over the next 6 months when he turns 2.

Probably not very helpful as all dog tummies are unique. There are some really knowledgeable and helpful people who I am sure will chime in!

What does your vet say? What does your breeder say?

Good luck!
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
6,307 Posts
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,707 Posts
All dogs are different but you may want to try Ziwi Peak. Not cheap, but nice results.

It is like little squares of Jerky.

I always add a little water to the bowl of Ziwi for our dogs.

Most of their products contain ONE protein, which would by my choice for your dog.

I would try the Beef and do not feed any other foods or treats. This food can be used for training treats too.
https://www.ziwipets.com/ziwi-peak-dog-nutrition/air-dried-dog-food/ziwi-peak-air-dried-beef-dogs

ZiwiPeak Cuisine
(condensed info)
"ZiwiPeak pet food is a complete, natural balanced real-meat diet prepared with care in New Zealand. All of our natural ingredients are sourced from the green, free range farms and blue, pristine oceans of New Zealand. The twin stage process eliminates pathogenic bacteria, such as e.coli, salmonella and listeria, while protecting the natural nutrition of our ingredients. As a further safety step, our products are mandatory tested and only released for sale after approval by the New Zealand government's regulatory authorities.
Air-drying is a technique that has been used for centuries to naturally preserve meats. Our modern method stays true to this artisan approach, while eliminating the need for artificial preservatives, salts, sugars or glycerines. Our slow, gentle, twin-stage air-drying process crafts a food that is as nutrient-dense and digestible as a completely raw diet but safe, clean to handle and can store for up to 21 months."

Your dog would benefit from a digestive enzyme and probiotic. This is a Human Grade product made for dogs: https://www.thewholisticpet.com/dog/supplements/digestion/wholistic-digest-all-plustm.html
"Different enzymes break down different foods. When enzyme stores are low, it is harder for the digestive system to break down fats, protein, and carbohydrates. Poor digestion can cause pets to suffer from constipation, diarrhea, flatulence and more. Wholistic Digest-All Plus™ is a unique enzyme blend of pure, freeze-dried, plant and plant-based enzymes with added maximum concentrations of prebiotics and probiotics. Formulated for maximum digestive support!"


Moms :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,674 Posts
Some dogs get the runs when over fed. If your dog is overweight, you're overfeeding, and that may be all that's going on. This statement of yours also suggests that over-feeding may be your problem: "Food 3, 4 and 6 gave him solid stools for only a specific food measurement."


I also agree about Orijen/Acana being too rich for some dogs -- some dogs really do better WITH grain.



You cannot conclude anything about food allergies from this frequent switching that you're doing. It takes a 6-week run of feeding a food with a single protein (and no cheating with treats) to be able to identify food allergies.


Where are you located? It might help us think through options in your area (e.g., Farmina in Europe, etc.).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
Oh I'm so sorry. I posted this as soon as I woke up and found out my pup was still having loose stool. I meant he's UNDERweight. :D
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
867 Posts
You say he does well on certain foods until you try feeding enough to gain weight....you say he's under weight based on what ??--have you seen some of his litter mates and know for a fact that they weigh more at the same age?---some people have preconceived ideas on how "big" their GSD should be based on the size/weight of some one else's dog (not related to theirs)...just sayin'----if u can post up a couple pics from the side and one standing over him shooting down on his back--could be he's not as under weight as you think.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
Here are some photos I took this morning. I'm, pretty sure he's underweight. Thanks for the help. Will get back to you as soon as I get some free time. Trying to multitask. Searching for my dog's cure while at work.. :grin2:
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,733 Posts
yes he is underweight. however, overfeeding is not the answer.

If this was my dog I would feed him the recommended amount of a kibble he did well on broken into smaller meals more frequently and supplement with fresh foods as tolerated. Cottage cheese, raw eggs, fresh meat and yogurt have all worked well for me. You can increase the kibble, but slowly. In very small amounts with increases only every few days and only as long as his stools hold.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
I feel for you! Are his poops yellow? I just went through a sad experience with a dog I was going to adopt. He was a black GSD.
The dog I was going to adopt was diagnosed with EPI. Judah was only 9 months old and only weighed 34 pounds this morning when she was euthanized at the vet's office with her foster family holding her. We had prayed it was only neglect on the former owners part (hate to say that) but she was too far gone and the vet feared organ failure as she stopped eating yesterday.

The former owners thought is was her food and changed it several times. Long sad story but it didn't end well. Not to scare you but mine check this website to see if she has some more of the signs. They used to think it was only in GSDs since it seemed this breed got it the most.

https://epi4dogs.com/

This is a pic of Judah - I noticed the similarities with your dog as almost all ribs can be counted. A simple blood test that takes 7-10 day to get back will rule it out.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
This is going to be long so please bear with me

Hi @JaxsMom, I was actually wanting to switch him to raw but it seems he wouldn’t tolerate it regardless of the meat I used. My breeder had him on RC which I changed gradually after noticing negative reviews about it. It’s quite unfortunate I couldn’t rely on my vet’s advice. Long story that made me lose my trust on them.
@dogma13, can’t open the link. Not sure what that powder is. As of now though, I’m trying my luck with a little Diatomaceous earth which some have claimed to be what cured their dogs’ long bouts of diarrhea.
@AUSland, this by far is something I haven’t tried yet on my GSD (except the white rice and boiled chicken – which didn’t help when he first had diarrhea). Tried cooked beef with rice for my beagle before and it worked great on him. Don’t know why I never thought of doing this again for my GSD. might give this a try.
@Momto2GSDs, unfortunately that is not available here in the Philippines. Among the best dog food we have here are orijen, acana, Canidae, and totw. We really have few choices here.

Hi @Magwart, the reason for the frequent change was actually that he had consistent loose stools for at least 2 weeks before I decided to switch to another food. Was just worried the situation might get worst if I continued feeding him that particular food. I’m located in the Philippines by the way.

Hi @das1, the color is actually normal without any sign of blood or worms. The color is the same as that of a “healthy” poop. It was never yellowish nor grayish. No poop eating as well. Nonetheless, I’ll have him checked for EPI. Thanks for letting me know about that.

Meanwhile, After checking the ingredients of the food he’s had diarrhea, I was thinking that it was the chicken that caused the loose stool. Note that only the Acana Pork, Acana Duck, and the Beefpro gave him solid stools, none of which contains chicken. As to the Acana lamb I am feeding now, I noticed earlier today that his stool has started to firm up but still a little far from the desirable solid stool.

Maybe if I stick with the recommended feeding quantity of 235g per day instead of the 360g I’ve been feeding, I would start seeing firm stools which I have been waiting for almost a year.

(235g vs. 360g - have I been feeding too much?)

I’m thinking of what to give him as a supplement to aid him gain weight though. Any ideas? I already tried everything from pork, beef, and chicken (raw), but all just gave him loose stools. I have yet to know if it’s going to make any difference if they’re cooked. What do you think?

If you’d allow me, I can post a picture of his stool here. Please let me know if this is ok with you.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,707 Posts
Since you do not have a lot of choices on kibble, I would stay with the ONE Protein Acana. Make sure that he does not get any other treats that may have ingredients bothering his gut.

I don't know what is available to you in the Philippines but the following suggestions could help firm up the stool:

Pumpkin: Canned (WITHOUT any spices) or fresh cooked:


iHerb delivers internationally:

Ground Physilum Seed: https://www.iherb.com/pr/Now-Foods-Whole-Psyllium-Husks-16-oz-454-g/37841

Slippery Elm Bark (Given an hour before each feeding): https://www.iherb.com/pr/Now-Foods-Slippery-Elm-400-mg-100-Capsules/796

Digestive Enzymes: https://www.iherb.com/pr/Now-Foods-Super-Enzymes-90-Capsules/51072

Moms :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
451 Posts
When was the last time this dog was wormed? I know you said vet did a fecal. Sometimes fecals aren't always accurate.

What was used for worming? Was he wormed for tapes?

All it takes is a flea or two on the dog, he eats the flea (to itch) and he could be re-infected with tapeworms again.

I would re-worm for all type worms including tapes, then give probiotics for several days then a homeopathic like

something with slippery elm for a stomach soother for several more days.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Thanks for updating us. Sorry, didn't want to sound like the sky is falling but I am considering adopting another younger dog- an 11 month old GSD that looks thin. Owner swears she's a good weight at almost 60 pounds. 2.5 hour drive to pick up so I hope she is telling the truth.

After the last heartbreak with Judah - I'm skittish.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
Discussion Starter #20
When was the last time this dog was wormed? I know you said vet did a fecal. Sometimes fecals aren't always accurate.

What was used for worming? Was he wormed for tapes?

All it takes is a flea or two on the dog, he eats the flea (to itch) and he could be re-infected with tapeworms again.

I would re-worm for all type worms including tapes, then give probiotics for several days then a homeopathic like

something with slippery elm for a stomach soother for several more days.
Hi Heidi. He's been wormed over a month ago. The dewormer I used says it's an "all wormer." Brand is wormrid by Animal Science which is commonly used here in the Philippines. I dewormed him again After seeing your post and consulting my vet. I don't know but I would prefer worms to be the cause of his diarrhea rather than food allergy. Never heard of this slippery elm but I might give it a try.

Giardia doesn't always show up on the test. It depends on what cycle it's in. I recommend Kochi Free https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MV9UDS/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 And Panacur.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000296N7S/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


I used both with my puppy with diarrhea and it really helped.
Hi crittersitter. Will check that out. Hopefully I can find it here in the Philippines. He's been tested negative for Giardia before but had been metronidazole just to be sure. Still, his on/off diarrhea persisted.

Thanks for updating us. Sorry, didn't want to sound like the sky is falling but I am considering adopting another younger dog- an 11 month old GSD that looks thin. Owner swears she's a good weight at almost 60 pounds. 2.5 hour drive to pick up so I hope she is telling the truth.

After the last heartbreak with Judah - I'm skittish.
Thank you for telling me about that EPI. Praying that a simple deworming would resolve all this. Let us know once you already have her. Would love to see how you'll make her gain weight.
 
1 - 20 of 34 Posts
Top