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Email from breeder and one from AKC. Mr. Havoc is now registered.


Breeder says she waits till all the litter are altered not just one before she registers. Havoc thus far is the only one she has received proof of alter on. So what does she do if someone fails to comply?


Never had this happen before. What is wrong with limited registration provided at time of purchase?


Not beating a dead horse anymore. I won! And so did Shielah and that is all that matters to me.
 

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also glad for you,,,when I got masi,,my akc papers were provided and marked "limited reg",,,yes I agree strange policy to wait for entire litter but again glad you got them!
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Congratulations....! Everyone has different ideas about papers and what they want to give out.....I now register the whole litter at once - and most people do not even TRANSFER them!!! 5 of the G pups (nearly 1 year!!) are STILL in my name!

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Lee I would not care if they stayed in breeders name as long as I got them.

Breeders contract requires females to be spayed by 9 months and males to be neutered between 12 and 24 months. There were 3 females and 3 males in the litter. If Havoc was the only one she had received anything on and I altered him at 12 months then that means the owners of the 3 females were not in compliance already.

So I ask again with that policy what do you do if some one fails to comply? My contract does not state that I have to wait for the whole litter. It says papers will be provided upon proof of neuter.

I would have to quote my hubby on this "sounds like a person who is accustomed to lying, almost pathologically".
 

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I am so glad you got Havoc's papers at last! It would have been horribly ironic if you had been the one NOT to get them, since you were the one who was instrumental in having it happen at all, IMO.
I also received an e-mail from the breeder, but the explanation she provided me was a different one.
I am happy to be done with the whole experience.
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Originally Posted By: KathyWWhat is wrong with limited registration provided at time of purchase?
Doesn't really make sense, does it? Proof of speutering is obviously to remove any financial incentive to breed your dog in violation of the contract since unregisterable puppies couldn't be sold for much, but limited registration does exactly the same thing. Kinda sounds like an excuse.
 

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Quote:So I ask again with that policy what do you do if some one fails to comply? My contract does not state that I have to wait for the whole litter. It says papers will be provided upon proof of neuter.
Well, here's a stupid question.

If the breeder's contract states clearly, "papers will be provided upon proof of neuter", wouldn't that make her "policy" completely moot? Both buyer and seller are bound by a contract. If contract says, you show me proof of neuter, I will give you the papers, then that is what needs to happen.

If it is the breeder's policy not to give papers until everyone who has a pup from this litter has spayed or neutered, then THAT is what needs to be in the contract.
 

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I know that it took a while to get the papers on the youngest. I knew/know the breeder, I'd recommend him to anyone as reputable and totally honest. I did wonder why it took so long but I knew he would be good for them.

The eldest was another story. "Forgot" to give me the papers when I picked up the puppy - then sent papers with incomplete information...BUT promptly - then had entire litter called into question over stud... That file is about 2 inches thick! She's a terrific dog but I'd NEVER do business with that person again.

Personally, I'd rather wait a bit longer and have things squared away.
 

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Well, here's a stupid question.

If the breeder's contract states clearly, "papers will be provided upon proof of neuter", wouldn't that make her "policy" completely moot? Both buyer and seller are bound by a contract. If contract says, you show me proof of neuter, I will give you the papers, then that is what needs to happen.

If it is the breeder's policy not to give papers until everyone who has a pup from this litter has spayed or neutered, then THAT is what needs to be in the contract.

EXACTLY my point!! And I find it "interesting" that Sheilah had a different excuse from the same breeder.

As hubby said a "lying problem".

Glad I can now wash my hands of her.
 

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So glad to hear it's all been taken care of - and Havoc is now "legal" .. *LOL*

I've never had any trouble getting papers on my dogs, even the ones that were given to me (which is most of them - I've only purchased two dogs my entire life). One was on a limited registration - Trick - and we changed that to full registration when she was around eight years old so that I could show her in obedience in Canada (at the time they didn't recognize limited registration papers from AKC). Of course she'd been spayed for many years by then.

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One reason is now with the alternate registries you could register with them and have "registered" puppies. I could see keeping them in the breeder's name with a copy to the "owner" until proof of neuter then sign the dog over.

I regestered my whole "B" liter (limited registration) because most of the puppy buyers never sent in the applications for the "A" litter (again limited registration). All they had to do was sign and send them in with a check.

But to not register the litter til ???? that's just crazy!
 
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