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Hello! I really need your advice! It is the first litter of my dog and her behaviour to her seven puppies is strange, almost since day one. She keeps changing places, but only taking one puppy with her and leaving the others. We did restrict her at a quiet and isolated place within our yard, but she kept digging around the nest. For almost two weeks everything seemed o.k. The last two days she keeps carrying away one particular puppy and shows her teeth to the others, she has actually provoked small injuries to one of the puppies. The family members that she knows and trusts had access at her puppies only for a while during the day, and we also have two male dogs that cannot enter the place where the nest is, although they can see each other. Apparently, she doesnt like where her nest is,but then again she wont decide where to go.
She accepts to feed all of the puppies if someone is there watching her, but the minute we leave she attacks them. All of them are stressed, especially the one that she keeps carrying. They are 19 days old. My question is whether I should take them away from the dam. For the time being, we supervise her while she is feeding them. What would be the best solution?
 

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She needs to be much more isolated and then watched carefully. It sounds like stress. She can see other dogs, is outside and isn't in a den. Just not a good situation for raising puppies.

Other options: Does she have plenty of milk? Are the puppies gaining weight? Have you trimmed their toenails so they are not hurting her? Is she getting enough to eat herself?
 

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I have no experience with breeding but I'm not sure I would trust her with the pups. I'm not sure if she is favoring the one or maybe there is something wrong with that one? It certainly isn't good behavior or behavior that I would trust. Hopefully others will chime in soon.
 

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My bitches are all good mothers, so I haven't had this situation. At nearly three weeks, they are not ready to be weaned yet, but, they not only have 50% of her genes, but she is imprinting them as well.

I think I would take them away from the dam and raise them by hand at this point. Two week old puppies can walk, they shouldn't be carried by the dam unless the house is burning down at 19 days.
 

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We have now restricted the male dogs,so there is no contact with them. We give her puppy kibble three times a day,and also we supplement with cooked food, and milk.no,we havent trimmed their nails. She would go from licking them to growling. How many times should she feed them duting the day? They gain weight normally
 

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I am thinking of a combination of hand raising and feeding under supervision. I have taken the puppies from their mother, as they are now quite phobic. Since I have not done it before, I fear that I might accidentally harm them. Also,how many times a day should I feed them?
 

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I have to ask, was this female of good health and temperament before breeding? Was this a planned breeding? ugh....wishing you the best.
 

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I don't think you are going to like my answer. It may be best to call your vet and ask for a good milk replacer, there may be a recipe on here using goats' milk, not cow's milk. And, they can tell you how often they should be fed.
 

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Yes it was a planned breeding, although I had my objections due to her character. She is certainly not an easy going bitch. Unfortunately, it was decided to go on with the breeding. Obviously, the bitch will be spayed.
 

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I have already bought the formula, and advised by the vet, i just want to hear an opinion from others that have gone through the same experience. I am so stressed right now. Do you know whether they can survive at this stage only by hand raising?
 

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Maybe there is something wrong internally from the birth. Have you had her checked?
Selzer, I am sure with all her worldly knowledge on this subject could suggest some possibilities that may be wrong, like retained puppy...this is just an example, not sure if possible, I know nothing about this subject
 

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The vet excluded this possibility. She is stressed from day one, plus her unstable character. She is a bullie,she would never kill her puppies,she scares them for some reason
 

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The vet excluded this possibility. She is stressed from day one, plus her unstable character. She is a bullie,she would never kill her puppies,she scares them for some reason
Best to remove them now before she imprints her behavior on them. If you aren't willing or able to care for them, a foster may be able to help. Contact a rescue?
 

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I am going to take care of them. The vet reassured me that she is not going to imprint on them when I expressed my concerns.
 

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If they made it this long, they can survive. You may need to bottle feed initially (for a week maybe), and will probably need to stimulate them to potty. But soon you can start giving gruel - grind up dry food in a food processor and mix with goat's milk or puppy formula, let soak and warm before feeding. It'll need to be liquidy initially but over time you can cut back on soaking/milk.

The other option would be to supervise mom at all feedings (if she'll allow it) and NEVER leave her alone with them from this point forward. It's dangerous for the puppies and they're learning fearful/aggressive behavior.

Have you been trimming the puppies' nails regularly? If not trimmed they get very sharp and will really scratch when they nurse.
 

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Does the vet even know what we are talking about? She will imprint her character on the puppies. That is what they do. The puppies are coming into the main socialization stage, and if she is aggressive toward them or aggressive toward people that come to your house, or aggressive toward other dogs, the puppies are going to learn the behavior.

There is learned behavior and there is genetic behavior. You cannot do anything about the genetics at this point. But you can prevent the learned stuff to become ingrained.

I would separate them from the bitch, but leaving them in the yard without the bitch is not possible. Sorry. ANYTHING can kill a 2-week old puppy. An owl, a hawk, an eagle, a snake, a cat.

I would be feeding the puppies every 4 hours at this stage. I would monitor the weight gain, and condition, and feed more if the puppies were not growing satisfactorily. I would monitor their activity. And watch them closely. In a week, you can warm the formula and mix some dry food in with it until it is moist and start feeding them in a large bowl, but for now, I think you have to do the bottle thing.
 

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I think by 19 days they will be pottying on their own. I am not exactly sure when that function is fully developed, but the dam should be keeping them clean, and as she isn't there for this job, it's up to you to provide regular cleaning. She is also a big heat source. They will use her body heat to be comfortable. So you have to provide somewhere for them to be a little warmer, just a corner of their area. They will bunch together if they are cold and sleep in a pile. If they are a little too warm, they will separate themselves.
 
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