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Our senior Boxer, Banshee, just had a seizure. The vet wasn't to terribly helpful...just told us to keep her quiet. I'm pretty sure that Banshee had a grand mal seizure. She fell over, was not conscious, her whole body was convulsed, then she started paddling and lost control of her bladder. This lasted for quite a while and then she opened her eyes and looked around.

So, I'm reading to give them ice cream and a full meal afterwards because it depletes their sugar?

AND...if she continues to have them or has clusters to bring her right in because it can cause her brain to swell.

So, plan right now is to call first thing Tuesday to get an appt for Friday with her regular vet. Does anyone have any words of wisdom to help her right now? :confused:
 

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Vanilla ice cream.

And no, not much you can do at thus point. Watch her for more seizures, if one lasts longer than 2 minutes start loading into car, if she clusters, load get up and go to Vet.

Also watch for non convulsive seizures, eye or face twitching, staring off at nothing, stuff like that. If she us doing that go the Vet.

I am sorry you are going through this. My lab has seizures and they are terrifying. But she has Epilepsy, I think your girl is older.

Good luck.


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so sorry to read this. My friend had a Briard with seizures and valium was given during the seizure(rectally). Keeping the dog hydrated w/ electrolytes is important too. Her dog was always groggy for several hours/no appetite after his episodes.
I would see if you can get with a specialist that deals with Neuro issues. I hope she doesn't have any more, is she crated while you are at work?
 

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gsdsar - Thank You! We don't have any vanilla ice cream right now. Can I mix some milk and sugar/honey to get the same benefit? I did give her a full meal but she eats a raw diet so there were no carbs and offered her water but she wasn't interested.

I'm not sure how long this lasted. It seemed forever. long enough for me to come from one room to the other, have my hands on her telling her it was okay and tell my husband, who was freaking, that she was having a seizure several times, my husband run for paper towels and clean up most of the urine.

She is 13 1/2 yr. Has stage 1 CRF, under active thyroid (read both of these can cause seizures?). I thought we were losing her.
 

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Jane - no she's not crated but from what I'm reading she should be. one, to keep her from hurting herself and two, it said that other dogs could attack a dog having a seizure.
 

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that was my thought....to keep her safe. Poor baby Banshee
 

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We don't even have a spare crate for her tonight. I have Caspian until tomorrow afternoon.
 

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The vanilla ice cream thing, not sure if its the sugar or not. I have not actually tried it, it's more of a wives tale. But it can't hurt.

I would crate her if you are not home. The two seizures my girl had, my GSD was OVER interested and I had to shoo her away for fear if attack. So it's fir safety

Usually seizures that start at her age are tumor related, but renal failure is complicated and if toxins are building up then that can cause seizures as well.

Don't know that I would be feeding a high protein diet to a dog in CRF. With kidney issues, they are less able to break down the protein and it can exasperate the issue. All RX kidney diets are low in protein for this reason( they are crappy foods) but there us science behind the reasoning. Something to consider.

Time moves very slow during a seizure. 30 seconds seems like 30 minutes. I know I have been there. When my girl had her first one I panicked. And I have been a vet tech for 20 years. I called a friend in my panic and he said " why are you calling me? Go the **** to the vet!!!"

Stay calm, give her room. You will most likely not sleep well tonight.

Get in to a neurologist and if you can afford it, get an MRI or CT of the brain to see if that is the problem.

She may have a prolonged post ichtal period. But it should dissipate in a few hours.


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Don't know that I would be feeding a high protein diet to a dog in CRF. With kidney issues, they are less able to break down the protein and it can exasperate the issue. All RX kidney diets are low in protein for this reason( they are crappy foods) but there us science behind the reasoning. Something to consider.

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That's actually not true. It's low quality protein that is the issue. Believe me, I did a ton of research on her diet. Many CRF dogs are on home cooked/raw diets. That is the first thing my vet suggested for her and her levels have been great for two years. In fact, they went back into normal range after adjusting the phosphorus levels in her meals.

As far as a neurologist, if this were a young dog, I would agree. But she's a 13 1/2 yr old Boxer. Boxers who don't live past ten. She's the second oldest boxer the practice has ever had. My vet attributes it to the dietary changes we made when she was 10.

We can definitely crate when we aren't home. Caspian goes back to the shelter tomorrow until next weekend and if we're having issues with her, I don't have to take him for the weekend so the frees up our large crate.

I'll call the vet on Tuesday to get her in for a check up and bloodwork this week. Thank you for all your input. I really appreciate it.
 

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I can't offer any advice and very limited experience, I thought Too had a seizure when it turned out to be Vestibular Syndrome and then Slider had one caused by Comfortis ... just wanted to say I hope she'll be okay, I know they're frightening.
 

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Thanks Gayle. :)
 

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I just went through this with a friend and her dog. Her dog had a major seizure late at night and she called me. I advised to be sure he was well hydrated and to sleep on the floor with him so that she would know if he started seizing again in the night. If so, e-vet. She then took him in first thing in the morning.

Good luck. If it was a grand mal seizure I would (unfortunately) expect she might have another one before Tuesday morning. Finn had another one the next afternoon.
 

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Michelle, if you don't have a crate available, a spare bathroom works just fine as well as a laundry room.

Vanilla ice cream has a good amount of sugar in it for being plain and my understanding, can actually make the issue worse or cause another seizure if she gets too much sugar in her system too fast. My experience is extremely limited to my friends boxer when she was 9 or 10. Keep her calm and relaxed. As said above, watch for other signs. Also, contact Carrie Johnson on FB. Remember her GSD, Alice, has seizures and she spent quiet a bit of time watching over her. She may have some other ideas that haven't been mentioned.

Best wishes. I likely would have freaked out too. Riley had 2 seizures in his life with us that we knew about. God only knows if he ever had any more than that.
 

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Sorry to hear about the seizure. I don't give Kiya anyting after. Most of hers are in the middle of the night, I clean up let her get a drink and we go back to bed. I haven't had a problem with my other dogs, they seem to get a litte curious almost upset. I personally woudnt want Kiya in a crate when she has one but I do have her gated off between my bed and the wall so I will wake up. I know she's had some wen I'm not home.
I hope it was just a one time thing. Good luck.
 

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Preston (parent's epileptic collie) always has a very upset stomach for about 2 hours after a seizure. The best thing you can do is act as if everything is normal. Banshee has no recollection of what happened, and you acting differently can freak her out. We've found that with Preston, the best thing to do is cover his head with a towel and sit down next to him, petting and talking to him until he comes out of it.
 

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Checking in, how did Banshee do overnight?
 

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Good. She's back to normal this morning. We have so many things to do today outside and some running to do. I think we're going to take turns when we leave and have her outside with us to keep an eye on her.

We won't know much of anything else until we get her into the vet this week. I hate taking her to the vet. She gets all freaked out but both the vets we go to at the practice are so good with dogs so that helps.
 

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That's a long time for a dog to live in CRF, your vet checked for lepto, etc. right? you must be doing a really good job, that's the oldest boxer I have ever heard of and we see A LOT.
No way I would spend $$ on a neurologist for this dog, like you said. If you were a Multi millionaire and just wanted to know then sure but the fact is most of these older dogs if not due to a metabolic condition then it's a tumor. I have tried several seniors on epilepsy medications to help control the seizures, which does work for a time, but they always have break throughs, I have to up the dosage, and I've had some break through a high dosage too and then never come out of the seizure and die. If you decide to put her on anti seizure meds, definitely ask about zonisamide, I started putting all my seizure dogs on that a few months ago (neurologists have been using it for years) and everyone loves it so far. Very minimal possible side effects and builds up in the blood fast. My moms dog (epileptic) was having multiple seizures every few days even after putting her on the potassium bromide and it was causing horrible side effects at a low dose. Not 1 seizure on zonisamide. Gabapentin can also be helpful and can be used in arthritis too so if that's also a problem could combine the 2 meds, gabapentin is usually not strong enough on its own and is every 8 hour dosing. But if combined with zonisamide could try every 12.
If you absolutely can't get to your vet until Friday, I would call whichever one is managing the CRF and ask if they can give you some Valium to give rectally just to keep on hand should she go into a long seizure and not come out (most people define long as >5 minutes).
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This might not apply to a dog, but my daughter had seizures for 10 years, never heard about feeding them anything after a seizure. She would vomit after her seizures and would get tired. If you think your dog is hungry and sure the seizure is over, try feeding small amounts of a food it will not choke on, maybe a little canned food?With humans you'd want to keep them away from hard and sharp surfaces or place padding on them. IMO, there are too many hard surfaces in the bathroom, I would not leave your dog in there.
 
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