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This is a very, very scary law that has been proposed here in CA. I'm surprised no one is talking about it.

http://www.saveourdogs.net/index.html

AB 1634 mandates spay/neuter of all dogs (and cats) over four months of age with some exceptions.

* Industrial breeders are exempt. If you aren't cranking out enough puppies to need a business license and Federal and State tax id numbers, you are done.

* No automatic exemption for AKC, UKC, or ADBA. Those of you who thought you got a pass are now in the boat with everyone else, dependent on the whims of your local animal control agency

* So you want to try to keep your puppy intact. To qualify for a permit he/she must have been shown within the past two years at a venue approved by your local animal control agency. It's a four month old puppy. Who shows baby puppies?!

* Police dogs and guide dogs would be exempt...once they are fully trained. The baby puppies that might grow up to be police dogs or guide dogs must be spayed or neutered. The young adults in training must be spayed or neutered also. What happens when they are "documented as having been trained"? Do their parts grow back somehow?

* Where do police dogs and guide dogs come from? Their parents must be spayed or neutered. Guess they come from the State approved puppy-mills.

* You jump through all the hoops and manage to keep your once-in-a-lifetime ideal bitch intact for a few years. You retire her from competition to let her be a mother. Two years later you must spay her because she hasn't competed in two years.

* Working stock dog? No exemptions. They are history.

USA has issued a letter of protest:

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/documents/070330-RoetemeyerAB1634Statement.pdf

Please visit the link above. This is a frightening piece of legislation that will eliminate responsible breeding in California.
 

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Outrageous. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/19_thumbdown.gif We all know there are too many pets, most bred carelessly, but the problem isn't going to get any better by letting the guv'ment decide who gets to breed! Imagine what the permits would cost: I bet it would be prohibitavely expensive for caring small-scale breeders and only feasable for furbaby factories.

And how in the world do they plan on enforcing this? I can see just using the law as leverage for animal control to fine people who let an intact dog run loose. But when you've got your dogs on your private property...
 

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Why don't we just do a mandatory spay and neuter of all idiots of PETA? Makes a heck of a lot more sense to me!

If they continue down this road we WILL see what they are hoping for: COMPLETE ELIMINATION of ALL HOUSEHOLD PETS!!
 

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The thought of this passing should scare the pants off of every pet lover in the country.
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Who's behind this????

.... Idiots, are they seriously that stupid? They should at least LEARN about things like this before going for it. Who in the **** is going to train, certify, show, and breed their 4 MONTH OLD?!?!?!? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/09_mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/09_mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/09_mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/09_mad.gif
 

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Supporters say that they want to eliminate pet overpopulation, and feel that breeders contribute to the problem because people want purebreds out of vanity and nothing more. They don't believe that any breeder is "reputable" because they feel breeding is wrong.
 

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This is absolutely ludicrous /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/19_thumbdown.gif
The way they wrote it makes no sense what so ever!
If they are trying to get more people to LEAVE California, they are headed in the right direction.
 

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The best course of action might be to get the larger national news agencies to cover this. I am a news hound junkie but I hadn't heard about this law until I read your post, so I bet that a lot of people don't yet know about this proposed restriction.

I don't know if PETA is behind this but I've read that the organization does not believe that animals should be breed to be kept as pets. Could they be sponsoring this? The law almost sounds as if the state government is trying to phase out pets.
 

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Good luck getting the media to cover it. They might, but they'd give the wrong slant to the coverage...so they'd support the legislation. The media is way too politically correct, and, well, early spay/neuter is very PC. They'd think "Oooh, mandatory spay/neuter will cut down on animals dying in shelters! Good idea! Let's promote it!"

Can you tell I'm jaded by the media? And California in general? Freedom is an illusion.
 

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Perhaps Fox news then? I watch a variety of new channels because I like to hear all the slants that the different news channels put on stories. Fox is pretty conservative, so for this particular story they might be a good channel to start with.
 

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I just heard a news preview about it, it sounded like they were pretty against it in that whole 10 seconds they talked about it.
 

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It may have been Fox.
 

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I have no idea if this will have be helpful or not. Fox and Friends has a section asking for news tips. I'll post a link to their site. I copied and pasted part of the first post-which was worded much better then anything that I could have written- and emailed them. Maybe nothing will come of it but it is worth a shot.
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/foxfriends/

Here is the fox and friends website. On the left side of the page is a very small white box for someone to submit newstips. Maybe if enough people wrote about this one subject, they would substitute this story for one of the many they do on Anna Nicole.

I'll see if CNN has a site looking for newstips later tonight.
 

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You can go to this site to submit a letter to your appropriate State Senators/Assemblypersons (and then click CA, I believe):
Website

I actually wrote mine yesterday (before this thread started). I got several automatic responses back that the appropriate people received the email and that they would get back to me.
 

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NH has a similar bill waiting to be voted on. It would require all commerical breeders (they have yet to define commercial) to attatch a 40$ altering fee to all puppy and cat sales. How will the trac this and enforce it? NH rgire that all puppies and kittens sold (By law can't be sold younger than 8 weeks)be sold with a health cert. The vet who does the health exam has to then report that exam to the State Vet, who will then contact you when the pup or kitten is 4 months old. If you have a certificate of altering from the purchaser, you have to refund their 40 dollars. If you do NOT have an alter certificate, the state wants the 40 dollar deposit you got from the purchaser. The money then goes into NH's Plan A spay/neuter fund. All pet stores, and shelters will also need to comply with this.

Now the state will be able to track what you sell, to whom you sell, and know how many you sell. Then of course the IRS will be involved if you aren't already claiming this as income on your taxes.

Depending on what the definition of commercial is, if you have a website listing you as a breeder, you may be considered a commerical business. It is unclear at this time whether this will affect those who consider themselves Hobby Breeders, and unlikely to affect those who are backyard breeders. The typical backyard breeder most likely does not even know they can't sell a kitten or puppy in NH before 8 weeks of age, or that they are required to sell it with a health certificate.
 

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mspiker03, you want to send a fax to your representative. Emails are rarely paid attention to. You can get the fax number HERE .
 
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