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I started this in stories (see link above) but it has gone beyond a story about my poor attention to detail with her.

Just got back from the vet. Kayos is still hobbling and in pain. She has no broken bones. We could up the Rimadyl but will risk going over a safe dose for her. We could do that very short term if needed but not long term. In fact given her age the vet really would like to see it decreased if possible, but it is not possible right now. We are going to up the Tramadol a bit which will cause some sedation but may help her pain level.

She is also at the bottom end of her weight. Taking any more off of her will risk her using muscle mass for energy.

Vet did not feel using other supplements would help that much, some relief yes, but not for long term.

I have 2 options left. Surgery or eunthanasia.

So we are waiting on a call from the surgery folks at two different places, WSU and a specialist in Spokane. Hope to have an appointment for a consult in a few days.
 

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At 5 1/2 she still has the possibility of having a long healthy life... I'd say if she doesn't have any other health problems and if the surgery could truly improve her QOL (i.e. she would not need pain meds and she would not be hindered by the HD any longer) then you might want to get the surgery. I know it is really expensive though and it is definitely a hard decision. Getting CareCredit or finding a low interest credit card could definitely make surgery possible (I think carecredit is no interest for one year) if cost is an issue. I read many many success stories of dogs that had surgery to correct HD though. It is your decision, and you will make the right decision for Kayos.
 

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Kathy, I just read Kayos' story. So sorry to hear this, only 5 1/2! Good luck with the surgery!
 

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kathy so sorry kayos isn't feeling better,,good luck I know she is in good hands..
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Even though the vet doesn't think the supplement will help, they do help alot of dogs. Having had a few dogs with HD, they don't usually go from being relatively normal one day to being as bad as she is. I would say she probably hurt herself playing, in which case limiting her exercise to leash walks etc for a few days should show some improvement. You might want to try a series of adequan and or legend injections. These are quite effective in relieving joint pain and inflamation.

Also a local company in Poway CA has been developing stem cells for treating arthritis in dogs and also they are using it tendons and ligement repairs. Here is the link for the canine applications for Vet Stem.
 

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Oh, no! I missed your earlier thread, so sorry to hear that Kayos isn't doing well.
Hopefully the prognosis for surgery will be good - let us know what you hear from the surgeons.
 

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Kathy-I was SO afraid it was osteosarcoma (that's right, right-bone cancer?). So I guess I am probably the only one thinking phew.

Of course, when it comes to those surgeries, they ARE big and costly, so I know it's something to really think about. But when you meet with those bone guys they are so excited and experienced, you will feel better!

I am going to keep crazily optimistic thoughts for you!
 

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Thanks all. Raginbullm money is no issue. She will have the surgery if she is a candidate which I think she will be.

GS Mom, I asked the vet about this one day she was fine and the next day not as I am really beating myself up for not seeing this quicker. She said sometimes do go from okay to not okay quickly. Usually what happens is they have a thresh hold and it builds and one day they do something (injury) and it puts them over and they have difficulty recovering. That is very simple terms.

Looking back, she has not really wanted to play with Havoc for a few weeks and I suspect she was starting to hurt over her thresh hold then.

The vet suggested a heated bed which I bought for her today and massage which I have been doing already.

So we will continue to soldier on until we can fix her.
 

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Kathy, I am just going to throw this out as a suggestion. If her hip isn't a candidate for repair surgery, have you thought of possibly doing amputation? I know it sounds so bad, but at 5 1/2 if her other hip isn't bad she would be fine as a tripod. But if my choice was repair surgery or euthanasia I would give amputation some serious thought. They would have to go in and take the ball out of the joint, but I think it could be possible.

Hugs to you and yours and I know what ever decision you have to make will be in Kayos best interest.

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Kathy--

So sorry to hear about Kayos but please try to keep a positive attitude.

Massie had a hip replacement when she was 5 years old. At that point I would have had to have euthanized her very soon unless I did the surgery. She could no longer run or play. When the orthopedic vet saw the x-rays he laughed and asked which one because they were both beyond horrible.

I researched until the I found the best surgeon. He was an 8 hour drive away but had an excellent track record with successful hip replacement surgeries.
She had a very speedy and complete recovery. The new hip gave her a new lease on life.

There are also many natural forms and types of pain relief you can pursue that will help. If your vet doesn't know about then they you can consult with a vet who does. I have seen dogs go from completely lame to walking well just by finding the right supplement.
 

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Val the question would be same as Ruth's vet. Which one? Both are very bad.
Amputation would not be an option because they are both so bad, but if the specialist says it is than I have no issue with it.

My vet is not a holistic vet but uses a lot of supplements. She has a lot of Max's under control with supplements instead of drugs. So I give her credit when she says most supplements may afford some short term relief and I am certainly not above trying any and all too. I have one here called Traumheel that I started today. It is recommended by a Chiroprator.
 

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Our rescue has done several FHO's on dysplastic rescue dogs. I know somewhere in the literature it's not recommended for "big" dogs, but we have had great success with even double FHO's on large males even. Recovery from the FHO's is really quick, especially if they have good muscle tone to begin with.

Depending on the pain tolerance of the dog, there are a bunch of different things you can do. If she has been playing rough it is possible something is out of wack - do you have access to a chiropractor?

I know people who swear by "dog gone pain" I think that's what it is called.
I hope it is only temporary.
 

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Gosh, Kathy, I just read about Kayos. i am sorry that you are both going through this. I don't have any words of wisdom, or direct experience to share with you. But I wanted you to know that I am sending hugs and good thoughts your way.
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Kathy I have nothing to offer but good wishes and prayers. I hope for the best possible outcome.
 

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Originally Posted By: KathyWVal the question would be same as Ruth's vet. Which one? Both are very bad.
Amputation would not be an option because they are both so bad, but if the specialist says it is than I have no issue with it.

My vet is not a holistic vet but uses a lot of supplements. She has a lot of Max's under control with supplements instead of drugs. So I give her credit when she says most supplements may afford some short term relief and I am certainly not above trying any and all too. I have one here called Traumheel that I started today. It is recommended by a Chiroprator.
Amputation will not be an option for a dog with bilateral hip dysplasia. However, she will get tremendous mileage out of one good hip. Massie was on Traumeel for a number of years. Which joint supplement is she on? I can't remember. It may be worth switching her over to see if she will do better on a different one. I know Basu did better on one and Chama on another. Basu actually did really well on DGP: http://www.nexstepnutrition.com/doggoparejoa.html?gclid=CIDj5ObhiZUCFQiNHgodBB1Drg

And I promise to report back on whether or not the Cetyl-M helps Chama because her knees are completely trashed so if it helps her then it will probably help Kayos.

And, of course, some people swear by Ester C. I do have Rafi on Ester-C and I backed off for about a month and noticed he wasn't doing as well. Now he's back up to 2000mg/day. This article is about a dog who, like Kayos, was only given two options: http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm

Acupuncture can be of tremendous help for pain relief.

What is Kayos eating? Do you have a harness to help her get around? Is she still doing stairs?
 
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