I like hearing from all sides and I also cringe when I see posts from bullies. I believe we should use the least restrictive methods to train our dogs that work for them. A prong or e collar are last resorts, not first choices. I am in awe of a family dog trainer I know online who can train anything, even IGE, without special collars. But not everyone is that skilled.I hope those posting fantastic advice on training puppies without aversives won't be discouraged from sharing their knowledge. There are a lot of ways to train a puppy and many people on here prefer to train puppies with positive methods. I also know that some of the professional dog trainers on here don't use prongs. They aren't against them, but they get good results with other methods and don't use them. Zola123 and 4K9Mom, thank you so much for taking the time to share your methods. Don't let bullies run you off or stop you from sharing your knowledge.