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DJD and OA would be the result of dysplasia. And he's got it in his knees as well. At only 5 years old - poor dog! 😥

Definition of sclerosis in bones: Bone sclerosis is defined as “an abnormal increase in density and hardening of bone."

ROM is range of motion. Stifle is the knee joint. They say it's stable on palpation/manipulation, so it's not a cruciate ligament problem.

Would like to know what happened that this dog developed such severe problems at such a young age! Was there anything different about his diet or the way he was raised as a pup? Are there hereditary problems in the lines that you know about? What's his pedigree like?

Not at all pointing fingers - heck NO! I really feel for you - but this IS unusual, and would like to try to figure out why it's happening. 😥
i added a pic of his hip xray
 

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Aside from the sockets being a bit shallow, those hip x-rays don't look bad at all. And I don't see a heck of a lot wrong with his stifles, either!

I'd get an orthopedic vet to evaluate them. Something is fishy here!

I'm not a vet, and I'm not a radiologist. But I am a retired nurse, and have seen a LOT of x-rays over the years. I also have a very strong interest in bones, and took a course in osteology in university. If someone were posting those hips and asking if they'd pass OFA, I would say they would likely get a 'fair'.

This is what osteoarthritis looks like: Osteoarthritis in Dogs and Cats

This article shows osteoarthritis of the knee: Identifying and Managing Your Pet's Arthritis - (lateral view).

Unilateral arthritis - other hip is normal: Arthritis in pets - Franklin Vets

I'm sure you're starting to get what I'm saying. Arthritis in a joint is pretty easy to spot, even if you're NOT a vet!

Here's what the different grades of hips look like: Canine Hip Dysplasia - Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
 

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Aside from the sockets being a bit shallow, those hip x-rays don't look bad at all. And I don't see a heck of a lot wrong with his stifles, either!

I'd get an orthopedic vet to evaluate them. Something is fishy here!

I'm not a vet, and I'm not a radiologist. But I am a retired nurse, and have seen a LOT of x-rays over the years. I also have a very strong interest in bones, and took a course in osteology in university. If someone were posting those hips and asking if they'd pass OFA, I would say they would likely get a 'fair'.

This is what osteoarthritis looks like: Osteoarthritis in Dogs and Cats

This article shows osteoarthritis of the knee: Identifying and Managing Your Pet's Arthritis - (lateral view).

Unilateral arthritis - other hip is normal: Arthritis in pets - Franklin Vets

I'm sure you're starting to get what I'm saying. Arthritis in a joint is pretty easy to spot, even if you're NOT a vet!

Here's what the different grades of hips look like: Canine Hip Dysplasia - Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
Hi, thank you so much for your reply I really appreciate all the links you have given and
will be going over them all again with hubby

with the sudden onset of his lameness we were shocked at vet report, we would of thought more ligament issues?

i am going to post a couple more xray pics if you wouldnt mind having a quick look please
I feel so bad for Jax, he loves running and trying to stop him from doing anything just breaks my heart .

thank you again
 

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I am not used to looking at knee x-rays, but I think I see some minor arthritic changes on the left side of the first x-ray. There's a bit of hazy-looking bone on both the outside of the femur (top bone) and tibia. If you compare that with the left leg x-ray, those bits are absent.

Would it be possible for your vet to send the x-rays to an orthopedic vet for evaluation? So much can be done these days without actually having to be there in person.
 

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I am not used to looking at knee x-rays, but I think I see some minor arthritic changes on the left side of the first x-ray. There's a bit of hazy-looking bone on both the outside of the femur (top bone) and tibia. If you compare that with the left leg x-ray, those bits are absent.

Would it be possible for your vet to send the x-rays to an orthopedic vet for evaluation? So much can be done these days without actually having to be there in person.
Thanks for looking and replying.
we are going to our vet in morning Sadi I will certainly be asking a lot more questions. Thanks kindly. We also have an appointment Thursday with another vet. Cheers
 

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I've seen far worse hips with less impairment.

Sudden onset indicates a higher probability of soft tissue involvement. I would look at chiropractic adjustment, NSAID treatment for inflammation and exercise that focuses on core stability and support of the lumbar spine.
 

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Agree, Dave! I see nothing in those joints to cause the severe lameness this dog is experiencing. If there is arthritis, it is very mild, and is not affecting the load-bearing part of the bone. Think about this a moment: Bobby Orr was skating and playing professional hockey with no cartilage in his knee. Bone was grating on bone. The cartilage in this dog's knees looks to be doing just fine - no narrowing of the joint cavity, no rubbing of bone on bone, no nasty arthritic exostoses interfering with the movement of the joint.
 

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I've seen far worse hips with less impairment.

Sudden onset indicates a higher probability of soft tissue involvement. I would look at chiropractic adjustment, NSAID treatment for inflammation and exercise that focuses on core stability and support of the lumbar spine.
thanks for reply. Jax is currently on meloxicam daily.
as far as exercises I will look into that and see about a chiropractor. I just want my boy to get better. Thank you
 

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update - been to vet - still going with hip dysplasia, they have Jax booked in thursday afternoon (after our 2nd opinion consultation with another vet) for discussions with the physiotherapist
i mentioned possible soft tissue damage/irritation and they have said not likely. arghhhhhh frustrating
 

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for those interested - 2nd vet is leaning more towards ligament but isn’t 💯 convinced. CT scan on 15/9 to confirm. He also said that jaxys X-rays were quite boring, that he didn’t think they should/would be causing limp. Bit of muscle waste on right side noted.
 

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Update after seeing specialist - diagnosis. Cruciate
TPLO survey booked in 26 October. Kind of relieved.
thanks everyone for you input x
 

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yes its awful, my heart aches for Jax.
a bit of history - we got jax at 5 weeks old as mum weaned him early, desexed at 6 months at vet recommendation, and also council requirement.
he is a tall boy and weights approx 48kg. not overweight at all.
aways had a good diet, varying from raw to kibble, sardines etc, Has allergies to chicken, grain and rye grass.
he walks 5/7 days approx 1/2 hr
maybe 2 x a month he would go to beach and play chase with ball for around 1/2 hr
i wouldnt say he does anything too strenuous generally.
the lameness has developed quite quickly over the past 6 months
Not disputing your opinion that he's not over weight but he's over 105 pounds and from the tiny profile pic (laying down, very hard to tell) he looks like he could a bit over weight. Vets tend to be a bit kind in their remarks in this regard.

Here's hoping for a full and complete Jax recovery.
 

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Not disputing your opinion that he's not over weight but he's over 105 pounds and from the tiny profile pic (laying down, very hard to tell) he looks like he could a bit over weight. Vets tend to be a bit kind in their remarks in this regard.

Here's hoping for a full and complete Jax recovery.
Hi. No he isn’t over weight. He is very tall. He is 46.6kg. He is pretty lean actually.
 
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