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I have 2 GSD's, my 3 year old male has been sick with very soft stool/diarriah for over a month now. He is very small to begin with and recently lost another 6 pounds in the past month taking his weight down to 53 lbs. He was at the vet the other day, had 2 seperate blood tests done, one was a full cbc paneland the other was the lipid profile to check on the enzymes in the pancreas. He also had his urine checked and the stool tesyed, all which came back fine. He is due back at the vet on Monday for a fasting blood test more specifivcally for his stomach and to see if the food is being absorbed correctly. He is still eating, aboour 4 times per day, one cup each time. I did a bland diet of chicken and rice and witheld food for the first say 20 hours this prevented the occurances of the soft stool and any wanting to go out in the middle of the night, but 2 days after he was weened back to his kibble, it started up again. from what I have read the testing is NOT a sure way of detecting prancreatitis, just the enzamatic pancreas absorbtion. I have also went through the stool to confirm there are no tapeworm segments. He is on year round Interceptor and Frontline seasonally. He does seem depressed but still has energy and we actually went for a jog today. The next step after this blood test on Monday is a referal to a specialist for an ultrasound. If anyone can give any advise I would greatly appreciate it. We are still working off our 5,000 bill from our female's hospital stay in August after she bloated- thankfully she is fine. I also contacted the breeder to see if they had any other shepherds that were ever sick like this and they said no. I am very worried and like everyone else on here, I love my little guy more than anything. Thanks in advance...
 

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My quick thought would be to start home cooking for him or maybe change to a different kibble. I was feeding mine Wellness which has an ingredient list that sounds better than my diet. However, I had to incorporate a lot of boiled rice with the kibble or I got loose stools. Changed kibble = much better stool quality without adding rice.
 

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I agree, I'd switch to a different brand of kibble- what do you feed him now? Maybe switch to a brand with fewer protein sources, like Natural Balance Duck and Potato. You might try brown rice and cooked ground beef instead of chicken, Stosh doesn't tolerate chicken well. I feed him Orijen red meat kibble now, Taste of the Wild also has a red meat formula
 

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I also agree with a change of diet. I would start with home cooked and then a slow change to raw to see how that goes. I am sure others with more knowledge will post their thoughts.
 

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I have 2 GSD's, my 3 year old male has been sick with very soft stool/diarriah for over a month now. He is very small to begin with and recently lost another 6 pounds in the past month taking his weight down to 53 lbs. He was at the vet the other day, had 2 seperate blood tests done, one was a full cbc paneland the other was the lipid profile to check on the enzymes in the pancreas. He also had his urine checked and the stool tesyed, all which came back fine. He is due back at the vet on Monday for a fasting blood test more specifivcally for his stomach and to see if the food is being absorbed correctly. He is still eating, aboour 4 times per day, one cup each time. I did a bland diet of chicken and rice and witheld food for the first say 20 hours this prevented the occurances of the soft stool and any wanting to go out in the middle of the night, but 2 days after he was weened back to his kibble, it started up again. from what I have read the testing is NOT a sure way of detecting prancreatitis, just the enzamatic pancreas absorbtion. I have also went through the stool to confirm there are no tapeworm segments. He is on year round Interceptor and Frontline seasonally. He does seem depressed but still has energy and we actually went for a jog today. The next step after this blood test on Monday is a referal to a specialist for an ultrasound. If anyone can give any advise I would greatly appreciate it. We are still working off our 5,000 bill from our female's hospital stay in August after she bloated- thankfully she is fine. I also contacted the breeder to see if they had any other shepherds that were ever sick like this and they said no. I am very worried and like everyone else on here, I love my little guy more than anything. Thanks in advance...
Tapeworms are rather benign and rarely cause the dog any harm.

Was the dog tested for or given anything for Giardia or Coccidia? Whipworms? Whips are very very hard to detect.
 

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I'm assuming the pancreatic enzyme test was for EPI. That came back negative? It could also be SIBO, as Elaine says, or IBD.

I would definitely switch to homecooked and go with a different protein/grain from what you're feeding now in case you're also dealing with a food allergy.
 

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Hope everything is ok! Keep us posted!
 

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I had the exact same problem with Cash until I switched him to grain-free, fish-based foods. Constant diarrhea, sometimes bloody, and terrible weight loss. The vet wasn't able to find anything but I tried the TOTW Pacific Stream and it cleared up the issues I'd been fighting for months. Not saying that it will work for you, but it couldn't hurt.
 

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WOW!!! I can't believe how many of you replied and took the time to share your opinions. I truely appreciate it and think this is a great community to belong to. Kain goes back to the Dr. tomorrow, Monday morning for one more test, anither blood test but this specifically for the stomach. It is a fasting test. Currently Kain is eating Iams Large breed , 4 x per day, one cup each feeding. He has an occasional treat daily. The dr gave me a packet of probiotics by Purina to sprinkle on his food once a day for 7 days. I did put him on a Natuarl dry food diet ove the summer called Natures Recipe that was Salmon and I believe sweet potatoe. There was no grains or fillers and he had the soft stool/diarriah as did my other dog. Took them off of it back to the Iams, (after weening gradually) and after about 2 months the diarriah came back. I did do the chicken and rice and he did ok on that, but as soon as I put him back on the Iams it came back. I included the yogurt back on the food and now he at least is not waking in the middle of the night. My biggest concern is the weight loss. Could that be because of the diarriah? He is so little. Any ideas as to what we can do to help get more weight on him? Also- what do you all think of the chances of pancreatitis???
 

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Sounds like a lot of switching/adding foods in your attempts to clear up the diarrhea. Feeding a higher quality food can cause the loose stools if it's richer than what you've been feeding and IAMS isn't the best, or even a good food. I wouldn't worry about his weight right now, but concentrate on regulating his digestion. If he had good test results tomorrow, I'd try feeding brown rice with cooked ground beef or chicken and get a higher quality dry food, then introduce it slowly into each meal. I'd feed three smaller meals a day. You might try Wellness Core, it seems to have helped others with the diarrhea, other good quality foods that aren't that expensive are Taste of the Wild, 4Health from Tractor Supply stores. Remember that when you switch to a better quality food it's going to take some time for your dog to adjust to it so loose stools aren't unusual. But first, see what your vet finds out from the tests
 

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I am pretty sure that the vet is going to recommend him to be put on Science Diet for Intestinal Health. I also heard of a Royal Canin that has an Intestinal Health product. Other than Tractor Supply where you mentioned the one food is from where can I buy the others? I assume they are not sold at our local PetS Mart. There is no Tractor Supply anywhere close to me. We will be heading to the vet any minute now. Should I be asking about medication to help with the diarriah? I don't want him to dehydrate.
 

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Kain's test results for the problems he has been having came back and he has exocrine pancreatic insufficiency. With the dosing that was given it will cost me 113.00 per 8 days or about 413.00 per month plus a special Purina E/N food. The food runs about 72.00 per 32 lb. bag. But Still paying off Angel's Hospital stay for bloat in August, staying home with my 2.5 year old twins, a cat that is aging and on meds too and a my husband whose job of construction can be tempermental- I just don't know what to do. Does anyone have any other ideas other than this medication-pancrelipase? Any suggestions if b-12 injections that are very cheap would help along with the prescription food? Next step would be to sell the family car. If not the liitle guy could get worse...
 

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Yes, I think RERUN here buys the powder MUCH cheaper on line. I would PM her and see. I would also post in the Health Section about the diagnosis and ask there where to find the medication at a price you can afford.
 

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I just found this.....tons of great information. Take a few minutes and look through it, you find many members have dogs with this and they can help you!:)
 

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Check out this website: www.enzymediane.com
She buys her enzymes from the same lab that the vets do, but buys in large quantities and can sell at a much lower price.

What what this story is worth... I have a friend who fostered a dog for 4 months who was diagnosed with EPI. She tried her on Natural Balance first and then due to cost (as she was paying out of pocket), but her on Pro Plan for Sensitive Stomachs. She did well on it - maintained her weight - but wasn't able to gain much. Only 4 pounds in 4 months.

I volunteer for a rescue here in Colorado and our director talked with the vets at the Colorado State Veterinary Teaching Hospital years ago about EPI. Their opinion is that this disease is often misdiagnosed. Their first recommendation for treatment is to treat for whip worms. They are stubborn and the only thing that works is a dual round of Panacur.

I kept telling my friend about the whips and finally convinced her that it couldn't hurt to try. After the first round of Panacur, the dog was adopted. The new family gave her the second round of Panacur, kept her on the same food, and kept the enzymes at the same level. She gained over 12 pounds in one month! Possibly coincidence, but the only thing that changed is that she was treated for whips. Sure couldn't hurt to try!
 

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Thank you all for the info and I will check out the sight and all the info you had to supply to me. I will be back, I am sure with more questions tomorrow.
 

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I have checked out the EPI website on the advise of several and have had so much success in finding the information that I need. Such a wonderful group of people, (much like here), and so willing to help out. Kain will be starting a new food, gradually, tomorrow, meds should be here by mid to end of next week and he will continue on is meds for another 3 weeks. I feel a bit better knowing that there are soooo many others who are going through what we are, and so very pleased when I hear so many of these pups get too chubby and need a diet! I dream of that day!!! Thanks again for all your help. This forum is the #1 place to find out whatever you need to know about your GSD.
 
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