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Tooks Sadie in for her prelim hip xrays...vet said ADVANCED HD and that he would decide within 6 mos to either to full hip replacement or PTS...
I am devastated and at a loss for words
Wanted some of your thoughts and opinions
I am submitting to OFA tomorrow and wait for their evaluation as well...
 

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Yeah, that's not good. The positioning is good so can't say its the positioning. Those hips don't look good at all. Getting a hip replacement, the dog can live a normal active healthy life.
 
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HD is not a death sentence. Explore the FHO option. Those x-rays are good quality and yes, they do look quite poor. Not the worst I've seen by any stretch, though.
If your dog is active, able to walk, and is not in significant pain there is no reason to PTS.
 

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Why did he say pts? Is your dog in major pain right now? What tipped you off to have them X-rayed?
 

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Why did he say pts? Is your dog in major pain right now? What tipped you off to have them X-rayed?
She seems to be in ZERO pain...runs, jumps, plays, etc. with no signs of pain. I decided to get X-rays because I heard you can do preliminary ones and submit to OFA to obtain and idea of what may be going on with hips. I had talked to a breeder (jean Schrader) who said she requires X-rays at 12-15 mos and 20-24 mos if you want to breed a pup your purchase from her. Essentially I just wanted to know if there was anything out of the ordinary. I can assure you I had no idea what the vet would say today....I just burst into tears, I can't imagine...
I'm definitely looking into other opinions in the matter before I do anything rash, but I know right now that I can't afford hip replacement surgery ($10K?) I wish I could, and I'll do more research after the initial shock of today wears off
I feel like its my fault somehow and that's making it harder...I wish today didn't happen and my Sadie was ok :(


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Make sure you send those X-rays to the breeder. She will want to know. She has been on here and seems very knowledgable about Hips and her lines in general.
 

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Put to sleep over those hips?? I don't think so. I see the HD, but they're not horrible. I would not call these hips severe.

What supplements is she on if any? How's her weight? What kind of exercise do you do with her?
 

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Make sure you send those X-rays to the breeder. She will want to know. She has been on here and seems very knowledgable about Hips and her lines in general.
I apologize, Jean was not the breeder of Sadie. Jean was someone I have spoken with about purchasing a puppy from and that is how I learned of her requirements....I have nothing negative to say about her, she seems very knowledgable and kind...
The breeder I purchased Sadie from is an irresponsible jerk. I could send these to him all day and he would never own up to any fault of his breeding program...lesson learned unfortunately...


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Put to sleep over those hips?? I don't think so. I see the HD, but they're not horrible. I would not call these hips severe.

What supplements is she on if any? How's her weight? What kind of exercise do you do with her?
She is 78 lbs and from what the vet said today great health..
She and I were working on her obedience training (beginner) so every evening I would practice heeling, "watch me", recall and sit stays. She is mostly and outside dog and plays regularly with our other dogs running and things.
We also play fetch pretty frequently or tug-of-war...it recently has been so hot we have cut back on those. Occasional tug of war in the house where it is cooler. We had been going to private training classes that were about an hour in length but Sadie recently fractured a metacarpal in her front foot and we had to let her heal before resuming any major activity.
She eats royal canin german shepherd brand, mixed with a supplement called Platinum that my regular vet gave me. We also mix coconut oil into her food on a regular basis. We alternate raw egg, raw meats, etc. into her feeding a couple times a week.
The vet told me today he didn't suspect that I had done anything to essentially increase the HD or however that should be said, but I still feel like its my fault.
I purchased her a flirt pole the other day and it arrived today...I was so excited to play with her and now I'm almost afraid to hurt her or make anything worse :(


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I'd research supplements specifically for HD dogs before you go the surgery route if she's not in any pain. Glucosamine, vitamin c, fish oils, etc.

How tall is she at the withers? Is she a tall girl? 78 pounds is pretty big for a female, but not overweight. Keeping her thin is going to be very important. You don't want those hips supporting more weight than they need to.

You're going to need to be careful about the exercise she does. No jumping. Low impact type exercising - swimming, walking, no running long distances on hard surfaces.

Speak to your breeder. I don't know her, but she seems to be very knowledgeable. I'm sure she can point you in the right direction since your vet hasn't.
 

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K.Creek just want to say how sorry I'm for Sadie. This is not your fault, so please do not beat yourself up. Hope you can find some solution for your girl.
 

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I would talk with an ortho vet to come up with a plan of action. A kit if regular vets are more doom and gloom than the ortho folks.

Cyra was comparable (worse but she was three for first shots) and never seemed to suffer with them until she started getting stiff around 9 and we started on NSAIDS -the ortho vet was not one to rush into surgery and felt many dogs with bad hips can have a good quality of life with a little common sense management.

Always gave glucosamine and kept her lean and exercised.

I am sorry though - You did not "do it" - so please don't beat yourself up.
 

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Thank you all for the responses..I will definitely look into some HD specific supplements
She is 24" at her withers and approx 22.5" at her hips...I can easily feel her ribs and she has a nice waistline...I would say she is pretty lean.
I will definitely be more careful with her exercise and play time with the other dogs
Once agin thank you all for your encouragement and suggestions


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To me her right hip (the one on the left side of the xray) looks worse than the other side. PLUS the positioning is ok, but not great and that can make a difference too.

http://leerburg.com/hipart.htm

And if she is showing NO issues and or pain I wouldn't panic at all. I've heard of some top dogs in agility having terrible x-rays. Seems like keeping our dogs fit, lean, and appropriately muscled can make a huge difference to having them with long healthy lives.

MAKE SURE YOUR BREEDER gets the x-rays, probably in your puppy warranty/agreement anyways but make sure you do get the information to them so they consider that info for repeat breedings (or not) as well as notifying the littermates for a heads up.

Hip Dysplasia In Dogs

How Can I Tell If My Dog Is In Pain?

We have long known that the degree of pathology we see in x-rays does not necessarily tell us how much pain your pet is experiencing. Some dogs have very dramatic x-rays but appear to be pain-free while others suffer greatly when x-rays show only minor hip changes. Just as with people, the sensation of pain varies among individuals. You, rather than your veterinarian, are in the best position to decide whether your pet is in pain and if it needs pain control medications. (pet owners in Europe have another option, Traditional Radio-Therapy, that you can read about here)
More good info/options --> Hip Dysplasia in Dogs - Clivir - How to Lessons, Tips & Tutorials

There is NO WAY those x-rays, and a dog that is in NO pain should be even considered to be put to sleep.... so I'd forget about that as an option and look at all the other GOOD options you can do to manage this and help.

Another great site with REALLY bad xrays http://veterinaryreferralsurgery.com/article_dysplasia.php



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Your vet is a jerk to be talking to you about putting your dog to sleep. Yes, her hips are bad, but if she is not showing pain, and being a normal goofy GSD, then there is no reason to panic at all. I would not be thinking surgery at this point either. Some dogs have terrible hips and never have a lame day in their lives, some have just barely questionable hips and can't walk. Each dog is different and have different thresholds of pain.
It sounds like your vet is wanting to get two very expensive hip replacements done... I had my first GSD and had FHO procedures done on her at just barely over a year old. Her hips were sublexated and not even in the acetabulum at all. Did the fho procedures on both hips over a three month time and she did search and rescue for 9 years after the surgeries.
Keep her lean, in good shape, active and good muscle tone, that will help tons towards keeping her hips in a painfree lifestyle..
I would get a second opinion if you want, but only because your vet is already trying to tell you that your dog should be euthanized or else have expensive surgeries. Most vets will suggest the FHO procedure also, but seems your vet is out for the expensive surgery... which typically only last a few years or so. FHO's will work for the lifetime of the dog.
 

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X-ray Of Normal Hips Vs Those With Dog Hip Dysplasia |

More good info, shows a dog with horrific xrays that is 7 yrs old and with minimal treatment the dog is leading an active, pain free life with only occasional use of prescriptions.

...............the vast majority of dog hip dysplasia cases can lead active happy lives with non-surgical therapy. Key components of non-surgical therapy include:

•Treat the inflamed joint itself using nutriceuticals (glucosamine, omega-3’s etc.), a structured exercise program to build hip strength and stability, manual therapy (e.g.: mobilizations), acupuncture, anti-inflammatories etc.


•Address secondary sources of pain – myofascial trigger points, sacro-iliac and/or low back pain, pinched nerves etc. etc. More often than not, it is these secondary sources of pain that are limiting the dog’s quality of life. If anti-inflammatories aren’t making a huge improvement in comfort, then the likelihood of secondary pain arising from somewhere besides the hip joint is very very high. Treating secondary sources of pain is as important as treating the hip joint itself.


•Keep the rest of the body as fit, strong, and comfortable as possible so that it can better compensate for the poor hips.
 

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I am very sorry for your girl by hose hips are not good. But the Vet I work always says one very good thing " we treat the dog not the X-ray"

If your girl is running and playing and acting normal, keep it up. I have seen dogs with radio graphically abominable hips, that were running/hunting/hiking with zero issue.

So treat your dog. Don't focus on the radiograph. If your breeder is a jerk, he won't care. Give her supplements, keep her skinny, not thin, skinny. Keep her muscle up. Maybe find a rehab specialist in your area to show you stength and muscle building exercises.

But many many dogs live a quality life for many many years with hips that bad and much worse. If your girl shows pain, treat it. If not, let her go at her pace. She will tell you when it hurts. Just listen to her!


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I apologize, Jean was not the breeder of Sadie. Jean was someone I have spoken with about purchasing a puppy from and that is how I learned of her requirements....I have nothing negative to say about her, she seems very knowledgable and kind...
The breeder I purchased Sadie from is an irresponsible jerk. I could send these to him all day and he would never own up to any fault of his breeding program...lesson learned unfortunately...


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