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I think many others just don't want to put in the time to get the results. They think dogs are disposable and they can get a better one without the aggravation. This would not be for people here but in general.
That's a really good point. It's rather easy (as least for me) to forget that this board represents a specific subset of GSD owners. We each deliberately took time to seek out, review, register, set up personal profiles, and participate in a breed specific online forum with our free time.

That's really not your "average Joe" casual dog owner, in my humble opinion.
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post #32 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-10-2015, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
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Shadow helps with the chores. She takes the clothes out of the dryer and puts them in a basket. She is trying to put clothes in the wash but she isn't tall enough. She helps pull weeds. She tries to help make the bed.

This is nurture not nature. I am not teaching her, she watches and wants to help.

My point with this thread was kind of can we develop an instruction manual of some kind?
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Shadow helps with the chores. She takes the clothes out of the dryer and puts them in a basket. She is trying to put clothes in the wash but she isn't tall enough. She helps pull weeds. She tries to help make the bed.

This is nurture not nature. I am not teaching her, she watches and wants to help.

My point with this thread was kind of can we develop an instruction manual of some kind?
That's a very interesting ideaHow would you go about it?

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Sabi chewed up some plastic blocks as a pup.
I had one foster who chewed a couple of books and a sock.
Shadow had a thing about one specific lamp cord.
We called Bud the toy killer, but he never chewed anything else.
Gita chewed one shoe.
I had another foster pup that had some fixation with Kleenex.
This seems pretty minor, and the rest I don't recall chewing up anything.
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Haven't read everything yet, but as far as destructive chewing goes -YES, you are really lucky! We've had dogs that were never big chewers (Dena & Keefer), and were trustworthy around the house, even from a young age.

We had another (Cassidy) that literally could not be left unsupervised for more than a minute or two or she'd be merrily shredding something. She seemed to grow out of the chewing phase, only to have a second chewing phase several months later. She did ultimately outgrow destructive chewing again, but boy was she a challenge until then. And our first GSD Sneaker had a pretty bad chewing phase when young, but outgrew it by a year/year and a half, and never chewed up anything again.

And then there's Halo.... Seven years old, and just as incorrigible as ever.

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That's a very interesting ideaHow would you go about it?
I don't know! I'm really not that smart But with all the dogs that have passed through my door there has to be something more then luck.
And Llombardo has bunches of dogs as well, she's saying the same thing. I know that dogs need training and structure, but how far will love and nurturing go toward smoothing that road?
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I think the root cause may be that people without the background over think things. They get so hung up on we need to do this, and we must have that, that they forget to breathe.
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Each dog one has there own strengths and its up to the owner to discover that strength and build on it. I think one must know how to improvise and that comes with experience and for some a natural ability. There is no Manuel that can truly teach this. Most dogs conform to the family's routine etc. there are many inexperienced dog owners with great dogs. There are some dogs that are strongly mismatched. There are dogs have acquired or born with certain behaviors that help knowledgable dog owners go to the next level.the ones that are placed with none experienced owners who are not willing to put the time in -go to the animal shelter. There sometimes way to much thought and rigidity that adds to much pressure resulting in stress which results in only frustrating. Everyone has different priorities and if they put the time, patience and effort into acheiving what one wants -it will happen. No dog is perfect and needs guidance and love to help bring out the best in their dog and a lot of know how to manage the worst.
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I don't know. It's an interesting question.

I chalk up a lot to nature, but my experience is limited. I got a puppy with a beautiful base temperament. That kind of temperament was a goal of the breeding program from whence she came. I had been led to expect pretty much exactly what I got, and the prediction/match was actually kind of scary in its accuracy! I have managed not to mess her up, and she is still a very nice dog. She isn't perfect, but she's pretty good.

I think in general, and in the ideal case, it would be understanding what's innately there and tailoring the nurturing to bring out the best of that individual dog. Realistically, there's a wide variety regarding how environment/nurture interacts with nature.
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I am horrible at training, I'm lazy and I sort of don't care. I seem to get to the stage were they aren't total ass hats and then I drop it. But in spite of that they all seem fine. I tend to have conversations with them, rather then barking commands at them. I have had multitudes of other critters around them and it's been mostly ok. I routinely take food and toys away, and in some cases have actually reached in and pulled stuff from their mouths, and I promote playing with their food. I manage some behaviors and stop others but all in all every dog that has been in my house is stable and well behaved...

...Do we actually create problems?

I feel like I could've written this.

I've had dogs all my life, which is a considerable amount of time seeing that I turned 60 yesterday. Herding dogs, working dogs, terriers, toys, hounds. While they have these hardwired traits particular to their breeds, I've noticed a similarity among the dogs that I have raised from puppies. They have all been bold, pushy, and funny. From Dobe to GSD to sheltie to IG to yorkie, they all have been more than a little sassy. I love that in a dog. I loved that Sage talked back. I love that Russell LOVES life so much that he might explode. I loved that my IG Zelda could outsmart me. Considering that these are all completely different breeds, I can only conclude that it's something I'm doing.

I absolutely feel like a major slacker when it comes to training my dogs. I get on here and everyone's puppy could practically get their CD when they are 3 months old. Russell is almost three and doesn't know the sit command, LOL. He's not unruly though. They all have manners. We have a calm household, and they just seem to follow suit.

My favorite line in this whole thread? ---> I seem to get to the stage were they aren't total ass hats and then I drop it. Love it.

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