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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 10-20-2008, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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"No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

I was watching, "It's Me or the Dog" the other night and saw an unruly [supposed though didn't look like any I had ever seen] Neapolitan Mastiff.

The owner didn't like putting him in his crate:

1. He would throw himself on the floor so she had to drag him into his crate.

2. He would urinate while she was trying to drag him into his crate.

3. He "just wasn't happy" in his crate.

The trainer said, "no dog should be in a crate any longer than two hours a day at the max." I have to disagree with her on that. My dogs never saw their crate as a "bad place" to go. They never associated crate = "parents" leaving. They used their crate as a safe "den" to go to, sleep in, hang out in, etc.

Did anyone else see this episode?

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

I saw it and had to groan.
I like Victoria Stillwell but have to disagree on that point.
Of course I NEVER had to drag or shove Dante in his great, in fact I had to teach him a slow command because he'd go in so fast he'd skid on the bed or tray and slam into the back of the crate!

And her comment about it being boring just made me roll me eyes.

Once again goes to show there will probably never be a single trainer that folks agree on everything with

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

That was the other part I remembered, "it's just boring for him."

I did have to say, though, that whatever that dog was (NOT a Neapolitan Mastiff) definitely needed some serious work.

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

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Originally Posted By: SouthernThistleThat was the other part I remembered, "it's just boring for him."

I did have to say, though, that whatever that dog was (NOT a Neapolitan Mastiff) definitely needed some serious work.
That irritated me too, that at the very begining is the only time they said he was a mix

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

I saw it too and also just groaned and rolled my eyes about the crate comment.

It drove me CRAZY how the guy kept calling that dog a Neo. That dog is NOT a Neapolitan Mastiff!!!! At the beginning they DID say "Neo MIX" which I also kind doubt.

Anyway, I was under the impression that the pup was never crated until AFTER he destroyed everything. So he most likely wasn't crated as a baby and by the time she decideed to crate him he weighed 90 lbs and was an out of control pup that she had NO control over and that is the only way she could get him in the crate.

It's too bad that the "trainer" didn't teach the owner how to get him to go into the crate wilingly.

I REALLY wish the owner had asked what the heck she was supposed to do with a house destroying dog when she couldn't supervise him! (Since crates are so "bad". )

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

For those that saw the show and don't know what a REAL Neapolitan Mastiff looks like, here is a drawing. (Taken from the AKC website.)


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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

At the beginning, the family said they got him because their house was broken into. The mother said, "when we first got him, he didn't know how to do anything and would pull on the leash."

It makes me think the house was broken into, and immediately, mom thought, "Need a big dog." I highly doubt the dog had any training before she got him.

Here is more information on this episode:

World renowned British Dog trainer Victoria Stilwell attempts to integrate a sense of order in the George household, home of 11 month old "Prince", an untrained 90-pound Neapolitan Mastiff puppy who knows no boundaries.

Animal Planet TV Listings:
(re-airing) Oct 24, 11:00 pm (though I don't know if that's EST or what)
It's Me or the Dog (US version)
Season 5, Episode 2

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

Hm. Nice post

I looked at the others posted there, and I have to agree with the person that said, "I didn't see anything seriously wrong with him considering his age."

Really now?

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Re: "No longer than two hours a day in the crate."

Well of course it's BORING in the crate! It's just a place to lie down and chew on things. I mean, I love my bed and all but cripes, it gets ridiculously boring after I run out of sleep and books. This is why it's important for a dog that gets crated a good chunk of the day to have PLENTY of mental and physical stimulation to compensate. Most dogs will eventually spend all the crate time snoozing but when everyone's home, the dog is revved up and ready to blow some steam. The crate should be treated as a good place where the dog gets treats, dinner, a comfy bed, a safe place to hide, etc, but after awhile it will get quite boring. For a dog that has plenty of outlets for energy, mental and physical, it's no big deal, it's just a way to store up and prepare all that energy for when it's time to be out of the crate.

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