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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-29-2018, 03:18 PM Thread Starter
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eCollar training question

I am new to training with an eCollar but have been using it successfully with Dasha, my 4 year old female. I use it so that she can be off leash during play times without fear of her running off after squirrels/bunnies. It has worked great so far. I also have a 7 month old male. He is very well behaved but his recall isn't the best so I want to use the eCollar with him as well. I have a large yard, surrounded by woods but my yard is not fenced. If the dog goes after a squirrel or rabbit, he can disappear from sight very quickly. Natty (the 7 mo old) is growing more independent so I tried him out with eCollar this past week. He is much more sensitive to it that Dasha, so I dialed it way down. However when I use it with him, he just seems confused. I think it frightens him to some degree and he tends to just run in a circle. This is obviously NOT the desired effect. Do I have it turned up too high or is he just too young to get the concept? When this happened I just stopped using it for fear of doing more harm than good. Are there any suggestions as to how to acclimate the dog to the collar? (BTW, Natty's reaction to a nose halter was similar. He vigorously fights against it and never caught on to the fact that if he walked in position the pressure would stop. I stopped using that too, especially since giving him treats produces a good loose leash walk.)

I know some people are very against this form of training so let me ward off some of the arguments to say that for all of my training, I use positive rewards, even when using the eCollar. I hesitated using an eCollar for a long time but so safety reasons I felt like I needed it to ensure that the dogs didn't run off. I have also used long leashes when they run and find that they are also hazardous. Yes, it would be ideal to have a huge fenced area but that is not feasible at this time.
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Doesn't sound like you taught him how to turn it off. Did you just put it on him and zap him without teaching him what the stim meant?

No, he's not to young. He just doesn't understand. Perhaps you should find trainer to help you.




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I'm not very experienced. I do live an an area much like you described. I tried the ecollar at 7 months as well. After a few weeks hung it up. Spent the next 1 year plus with a long line and motivational training. I hate the long line so much LOL. Tried the ecollar again with maturity and training the ecollar was much more effective for me. I've hung up the ecollar again because while it fixed a couple things it didn't fix what I wanted. Crittering and recall off other dogs. Going back to the motivational drawing board and trying teaching some more.
I'd stay away from high levels without a qualified trainer. Which I have not been able to find.
Your dog does sound confused. Look up maybe Larry Khron if you want to understand conditioning the dog to the collar. You will know when your dog is well conditioned. Hth some.
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I'll dive into this more later, but stop using the e-collar. Without proper understanding, the dog is going to be confused which is a problem. Starting at too high a level is a problem. You not understanding how to be clear and fair with the dog is a problem.

There are many here who can help you train a motivational recall. Hold off on the e-collar for now. Use a long line. It won't kill ya.

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Watch Larry Krohn you tube videos. Get his book from Amazon. He is great at explaining how to use the ecollar. You should have you pup conditioned to it first. Then work the recall on lead.
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Thank you for the tips. I will definitely watch the Larry Krohn videos and check out his book. I agree the problem is that the pup isn't conditioned to the stimulus and is therefore confused. I want to found out how to do that and it sounds like Larry Krohn may be that resource. I did stop using the collar when I saw that Natty was confused and will not use it again until I've learned how to condition him properly. Thank you for your help.
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Larry krohn is good I have the book. Since he is confused with the ecollar it is good to find a trainer to show you how to use it it may give you more confidence in using it.


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I just finished watching a couple of Krohn's videos and have ordered his book. I am embarrassed that I didn't seek out this resource before using the collar at all. I haven't been using it correctly with either dog. That will change! I know that I need to do some more work with Natty on recall before I use it at all. With Dasha, I intend to change my strategies. I hope that others will find this thread and seek out his instruction as well. Thank you again for your help.
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A little tip that I use with some clients is to put the collar on them so they can understand what the increase in level feels like, and so they can work on their mechanics before putting the collar on the dog.

You didn't say what type of collar you are using, but it needs to have a very small increase between levels. Cheaper collars have 7-9 levels. These just won't work. You need something with 100+ levels. I use Dogtra 1900 collars.
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Way too young for ecollar. Hope he can recover when he is older and you try to use it again.
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