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Sorry could not finish earlier. If your pup is not proficient with the recall how can u throw an ecollar on him. He must know the command before you can correct him. Once he knows the command and disobeys then a correction is warranted but even then I would use verbal, collar or prong correction before an ecollar.
Sorry for being blunt but so many just throw on the ecollar without knowing how to use and when to use. I feel sorry for him he dog.
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A little tip that I use with some clients is to put the collar on them so they can understand what the increase in level feels like, and so they can work on their mechanics before putting the collar on the dog.

You didn't say what type of collar you are using, but it needs to have a very small increase between levels. Cheaper collars have 7-9 levels. These just won't work. You need something with 100+ levels. I use Dogtra 1900 collars.

I have a Dogtra IQ Plus. It has 100 levels. I can't feel anything on myself until about level 20 and that is minimal. I realize that dogs can be far more sensitive. The first thing I did was try it out on myself. I periodically zap myself with it just to keep in mind what it feels like.
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Sorry could not finish earlier. If your pup is not proficient with the recall how can u throw an ecollar on him. He must know the command before you can correct him. Once he knows the command and disobeys then a correction is warranted but even then I would use verbal, collar or prong correction before an ecollar.
Sorry for being blunt but so many just throw on the ecollar without knowing how to use and when to use. I feel sorry for him he dog.

Ok... I'm guilty. I admitted my error. Actually when I decided to use the collar, I thinking more in terms of how people use eCollars and invisible fences to keep their dogs within a defined space. I too hope there are no lasting ill effects; so far I can't tell of any. He is a pretty laid back pup.

I do love my dog and work with him regularly. I got impatient and worried about the dangers involved when they run off. Actually this pup has been off leash under supervision daily and he has NEVER gone after anything, but my older dog has. She has a much different personality and I may be worried about Natty for nothing. The David Krohn videos helped me to understand how the collar is to be used. So for now I am working on recall with the long leash, but I'm still taking a chance when I exercise him with no leash. I have had dogs run with a long leash but they can so easily get injured. I don't think eliminating exercise is an option.
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I don't know how your training recall, but when I started using the ecollar and it was suggested to me to put it away. I was told about two ball recall by a forum member. If your pup likes to play fetch this got me a super fast motivated recall. I have gotten some great advice here but I have to say this is my favorite. There are ways to also use food if fetch isn't the dogs thing or to mix things up. Not trying to tell you what to do or criticize. Just trying to be helpful. I'd be happy to share if your interested. My dog failing to recall is about me fumbling around trying to get where I am going.
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As others have said, it sounds like he is simply confused. First off be sure you have his working level. You can teach him quite easily how to turn it off by putting a long leash on him, then letting him wander around until he is distracted and a short distance away from you. As soon as you hit the stim button, pull him gently towards you, and as soon as he makes a move in your direction, turn it off and tell him what a good boy he is. You can repeat this a few times until he begins to understand what the stim means and how he can turn it off. This method worked extremely well with my dog.
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A little tip that I use with some clients is to put the collar on them so they can understand what the increase in level feels like, and so they can work on their mechanics before putting the collar on the dog.

You didn't say what type of collar you are using, but it needs to have a very small increase between levels. Cheaper collars have 7-9 levels. These just won't work. You need something with 100+ levels. I use Dogtra 1900 collars.

I have a Dogtra IQ Plus. It has 100 levels. I can't feel anything on myself until about level 20 and that is minimal. I realize that dogs can be far more sensitive. The first thing I did was try it out on myself. I periodically zap myself with it just to keep in mind what it feels like.
I have the Dogtra 1900s also. I use between levels 20-25 with desired results. Lately I've found myself just using the pager instead.
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I don't know how your training recall, but when I started using the ecollar and it was suggested to me to put it away. I was told about two ball recall by a forum member. If your pup likes to play fetch this got me a super fast motivated recall. I have gotten some great advice here but I have to say this is my favorite. There are ways to also use food if fetch isn't the dogs thing or to mix things up. Not trying to tell you what to do or criticize. Just trying to be helpful. I'd be happy to share if your interested. My dog failing to recall is about me fumbling around trying to get where I am going.

Sure I'd love to learn a new strategy for recall. I do play fetch with both dogs, but I use Kong Goodie Bones instead of balls. They like the bones and I like them because my yard is hilly and the bones are less likely to continue rolling into the woods. Natty plays fetch with two bones. It took a while to get him to the point where he would drop one to go and get the other, but now he's great at it. He also brings it back 100% of the time. I'm always eager to learn new strategies and anything that can be done to make training more fun will make it more effective IMHO.
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I use kongs I purchased these(see photo) they float which make them great for water retrieves, heavy duty, I can launch them far or not far, they bounce great for catches mid air and they hold up to tugging between tosses. My dog isn't a real aggressive tugger tho.

It's super simple you throw the toy as the dog is running back to you to you say "Come". I try to keep my tone and volume the same. The dog after some reps will associate the word with running super fast towards you. If you want to speed it up take a step backwards. It did not take him long to learn that word. Awesome really.

With food. You can toss a treat out away from you. I have a word I use prior to the toss. You can pick get it, yup...whatever. Let the dog eat it say "Come" as the dog is running up to you say the word again you used for the toss and toss a treat behind you. My dog then will come back up to my side I treat that as well. Rinse and repeat. I usually do just a few reps using a high value treat that I only use for this.

A few things i experienced. I used the kong for a long time (still practice it) for come. Well Apex would hear come and look for toy to bring with him. As time went on he realized he didn't always need a toy lol.

He always comes racing when he hears come but that doesn't mean to him to stay with me. That would be another command. Still it's a great way to get started. You can certainly start working on some thoughtfulness between throws if he is excited for the toy. Simple sit, working your way up to a stay then release to fetch.

One thing I didn't do and later much later did do...was make these toys mine. He does not have access to these toys unless he is with me playing and training. They hold their value better that way.

Just somethings I've fumbled my way through. HTH and more so hope it ts fun!

Any questions I'm happy to share just ask.
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It's super simple you throw the toy as the dog is running back to you to you say "Come". I try to keep my tone and volume the same. The dog after some reps will associate the word with running super fast towards you. If you want to speed it up take a step backwards. It did not take him long to learn that word. Awesome really.

With food. You can toss a treat out away from you. I have a word I use prior to the toss. You can pick get it, yup...whatever. Let the dog eat it say "Come" as the dog is running up to you say the word again you used for the toss and toss a treat behind you. My dog then will come back up to my side I treat that as well. Rinse and repeat. I usually do just a few reps using a high value treat that I only use for this.

Love it! I'll try this with both dogs. Dasha's recall is 100% unless there is a squirrel or a bunny around and then she needs some reminders (the eCollar has worked great for that), so she can benefit from this too. For Natty, this will go far in transferring value to the word, "come." It always amazes me how simple these types of games are and how effective they can be. Sometimes I am able to think them up but more often than not, I rely on others to share so I thank you much. I may have questions later after I try this out. Thanks again.
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