Valid question, I could have worded that better. But it was late and I didn't have the energy to edit it. There are some outliers that I'm sure would prove to be challenging! Very weak nerved dogs and handler aggressive dogs can be tough to work with, no question!
What I was trying to say is that a dog that "can" be trained can be trained just as well using other methods. And I strongly believe that! That being said, I don't participate in dog sports, nor have I ever titled a dog in one. So maybe I'm just naive
I'm not at all against easier nor am I against correctly using prong collars. I just don't believe there's only "one" way to teach a dog anything, and often it seems to me like people who use prong or e collars, at least, state it that way...
Of course, had I known that the dogtra had a dance mode, my experiences in dog training would probably have been way different...
To the part I bolded... I find it funny that I see it go the other way more. People who absolutely will not use anything other than a flat collar (or martingale, or easy walk harness, or whatever else they deem less cruel then a prong or an ecollar) truly seem to condemn the use of correction collars.
I firmly believe that you need to adjust your training to each dog. That includes which tools you use. I currently have three dogs, each with very different temperaments, each with different balance of drives. While I did do some things the same for each (luring, shaping, etc), once weíve moved to the next step, theyíve all needed different methods, different motivators AND different tools. It also depends what my goals are for each dog. I donít go into sport training assuming Iíll ďneedĒ an ecollar or a prong, but Iíve found that for fine tuning, an ecollar works great and a prong can be extremely versatile, as well. Building drive with a prong is not something most people who donít train in dog sports would think about. Itís not always used to squash a behavior or to correct a dog.
My male, who doesnít have the most appropriate temperament, has benefited greatly from the use of an ecollar. It clarified things for him in a way that no other training/proofing had. Had I been firmly against the use of that tool, he would reqire much more management, and have a less full life. But just because it worked well for him, I donít assume EVERY dog will respond the way he did. I donít use it much for my girl, who is very appropriate and biddable. When she was still doing IPO, I did use the ecollar to fine tune some things, but for day to day training, it just wouldnít benefit her. Different dogs. Different temperaments. Different responses to tools. My puppy is only 6 months old, I donít yet know which tools I will use for him. Right now, itís a martingale collar. Who knows what the future will bring.
All that said, I believe the judgement that comes with using certain tools to be a little tiresome. Of course there is a wrong way to use them. But there is also a wrong way to use a flat collar. And just because you (general you) havenít found use for them in the type of training you are doing with one dog, does not mean that there is no place for those tools, period. It also doesnít mean that you could absolutely, hands down, train MY dog (or any other dog) with your methods. If you can train your dog to walk nicely in public on a flat collar, thatís wonderful for you. If you can get through rally class with a martigale, thatís wonderful, too. But just because you can do those things does not mean you are a better trainer than someone who chooses different methods. It just means that the methods you prefer happen to work for your dog, in your situation.