Can you tell me why you think using a choke on some dogs is ok, but using a prong is not something you will use? How did you convince yourself to use the starmark prong collar (whether successful or not) if you say prongs are not necessary? Iím honestly curious, especially about your use of a choke. I wonít say Iíve never used them, but they are not my go-to collar, unless itís something like a DDC and I am specifically trying to take drive out of a dog. Thanks in advance.
Good questions! My use of a choke chain is mostly due to the fact that it was very popular, the current go-to recommendation, back when I was doing the training. I got my first dog in 1969. In the 70s the choke collar was still the go-to for all the people I worked with, so use them I did. I have not used one since the mid 80s. My first 2 dogs never had another collar. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them, but the Martingale or a flat collar is my preference now.
I did not ever say I won't use a prong collar! What I said was, I haven't.
My choice to try the Starmark collar was spurred primarily by reading comments on this forum. I'm not opposed to trying something new LOL, and all the glowing success stories I was reading here started making me feel out-of-date.
My intention at the time was to give a prong collar a try, but my puppy was still pretty young, about 5 or 6 months old at the time, and the Starmark had been recommended by a trainer friend as a good compromise. So I bought one.
The Starmark has little plastic triangles fixed on the inside of the collar, which quite frankly do nothing. There is no pinch effect using this collar, and it took my puppy about 2 days to realize that! I still use it because I'm a cheapskate, but my dog is now 19 months old and very very rarely needs any kind of correction. When she does, I use my voice. At this stage she responds well to that even in drive.
A good friend of mine has titled many dogs in IPO, and trained LEOs and their canines for many years. She has 2 dogs that are never outside without their prong collars on, and her Doberman is also always muzzled because she's a bit reactive at times LOL. I don't question her choice to use those tools, she knows what she's doing! Beyond that, they're her dogs, and I don't tell anyone how to treat their dogs unless they ask me. BTW she's given me excellent advice many times, for which I'm eternally grateful!
Again, I joined the discussion because Wolfy specifically asked to hear from people who've trained WL GSDs without a prong. I have. I never said I thought the tool was bad, but I do think they are over utilized. And I'm glad I didn't buy one because other methods worked nicely for my pup. If that makes me out-of-date so be it, I'm over that fear LOL!