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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-27-2017, 10:35 PM Thread Starter
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Question Removing the toy from the equation

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What is the best way to wean a dog off a toy when learning fuss? It's been a while since I taught this last! I'd like to start trying the command without the toy visible. Here is where we are at right now (video included below), we haven't done much work with the command but his focus seems good to me; slows when I slow and sits when I stop. We also have not worked with a trainer yet on this so any suggestions would be helpful. I feel like he is forging ahead slightly and cutting into my space? How would you correct this? Or am I wrong and he not doing either of these things?
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You're right,he is wrapping around front just a bit.That's usually because you've been rewarding with your right hand and he's trying to stay positioned to receive it.Or he's been trained to watch your eyes so he wraps around to stare.Looking good though!Happy and focused

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Can you post another video of calling the dog to heel all the way thru to the reward and maybe 10-15 seconds after. And yes the reward should come from the left hand. Guide the dog by holding the leash in the right hand, lure and reward with the left. I made a similar mistake with my pup and even the I held the reward in my left hand I had a habit of holding it near my stomach rather than out front of the dog and we had that same wrap around going on.

But yes he looks great overall. Good focus and he seems happy to be working with you.
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You're right,he is wrapping around front just a bit.That's usually because you've been rewarding with your right hand and he's trying to stay positioned to receive it.Or he's been trained to watch your eyes so he wraps around to stare.Looking good though!Happy and focused
Wow you're good LOL! I started off training him and held the ball at my stomach and then our regular trainer (not schutzhund) suggested I put it under my left armpit and when i'm ready to reward him just drop it by putting my arm up. We've been practicing the reward from the left armpit only a couple months so over time he should straighten out? Thank you ; that is what I love most about him, he is easy to train and he is always happy and ready to go! I don't think we will be doing any actual schutzhund so I'm not being super picky but would like him to learn fuss without the ball always there. Do most people only use the command for competition or does anyone use it in tight situations too?
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Can you post another video of calling the dog to heel all the way thru to the reward and maybe 10-15 seconds after. And yes the reward should come from the left hand. Guide the dog by holding the leash in the right hand, lure and reward with the left. I made a similar mistake with my pup and even the I held the reward in my left hand I had a habit of holding it near my stomach rather than out front of the dog and we had that same wrap around going on.

But yes he looks great overall. Good focus and he seems happy to be working with you.
It might be a while before I can get another video, since I need someone to hold the camera. We will work on it though! I've been putting the ball in my left arm pit and then releasing it for the reward. Should I be holding it instead in my hand? Got it. Thank you .
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You fade the toy in and out while you extend the time period. then you start putting the ball out of sight completely while extending the distance and time.

always pay attention to your reward line. And to how your dog is reacting to the extension of time between rewarding.
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Oh thank you that made a lot of sense!!! I was searching everywhere for videos but couldn't find any lol.
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Amanda at Complete Canine is a very talented trainer.

This one is really good too. Christina puts up some great video
https://www.facebook.com/Epiphanycanine/
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Amanda at Complete Canine is a very talented trainer.

This one is really good too. Christina puts up some great video
https://www.facebook.com/Epiphanycanine/
Awesome stuff! How do they get them to do that sort of prancing thing with their front legs? I've seen Gandalf have better focus than the time we shot our video but nothing like that! Amazing!
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