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How did your teach your dog the competition heel and why?

This is one thing I have not been able to train my dog yet. He walks pretty much right by my side without pulling with the "let's go" command that I taught him with a prong on, which is great for casual walks. However, I really want to teach him the focused/competition heel that I see in Schutzhund/IPO trials. I just can't seem to figure out which method works best for him. His "out" still isn't 100%, so I'm only using food rewards for training for now. He isn't very good motivated, but I've found that if I withold half his meal and use the food engagement tips from Michael Ellis's Advanced Concepts in Motivation dvd, he will work for food. I want to know what methods other people have used, and why or why not they worked or didn't work for your dog specifically.

These are the most common methods I've found:
Free shaping with a target such as as paper plate
Luring with a target such as a paper plate
Luring without a target

And how long did it take your dog to learn the behavior? Thank you!


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I hold a ball under my arm. Start be having him sit next to me. I say my command. He looks up, i drop the ball.

As soon as he knows to look at me, I take a step.
Then progress from there.
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A target on the ground isn't what I would do. That would draw attention to the ground, away from you. Its probably the same as Cloud, but to use a toy as a target on you, the dog has to really want the toy and learn to maintain controlled focus on it to get it. It was a little over 2 mos before I ever took a step, but this is the basic sequence of what I did. It all begins with that capping in an attentive sit, and then I step into position. Later on you add drills where he finds the position.
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A target on the ground isn't what I would do. That would draw attention to the ground, away from you. Its probably the same as Cloud, but to use a toy as a target on you, the dog has to really want the toy and learn to maintain controlled focus on it to get it. It was a little over 2 mos before I ever took a step, but this is the basic sequence of what I did. It all begins with that capping in an attentive sit, and then I step into position. Later on you add drills where he finds the position.
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Reading this thread, I had a 'doh' moment. Have been trying to lure my pup into position but as she will sell her soul for play and a ball, definitely going to change my approach.
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Careful, don't go commenting on my structure now. Appreciate the dog! Lol.
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So the general consensus seems to be to teach the dog the "sit at my left side" position, then walking forward, and then introute pivots and finding the position? Most of the videos I've watched and articles I've read started out teaching the dog to keep it's head up and pivot on a target, then find the position, then pivot with you, and then walk forward, backward, to the sides, increase distance, etc. Has no one else done this method, or does teaching the position first seem to work better?


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*then introduce pivots...

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A target on the ground isn't what I would do. That would draw attention to the ground, away from you. Its probably the same as Cloud, but to use a toy as a target on you, the dog has to really want the toy and learn to maintain controlled focus on it to get it. It was a little over 2 mos before I ever took a step, but this is the basic sequence of what I did. It all begins with that capping in an attentive sit, and then I step into position. Later on you add drills where he finds the position.
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We are working on that now by ourselves. Your video showed me what I'm doing wrong. I introduced fuss right away and he could not control himself. He wanted the ball immediately. Our trainer has us working more in drive than we used to, but for this, I need to go back to capping for calm attention. Why do you put the toy on your shoulder before releasing it? How do you keep him from moving from position to grab the toy? Mine wants to catch it and get away from me so I can't Aus it.
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Irregardless of how you begin movement, your dog needs to understand the position and be able to maintain the focus. I didn't exactly work on pivoting till a lot later and I did it sort of like an extension of left boxes and left circles.

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