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Distancing himself after training....

Ok, so had his first ''Training class'' last night. The trainer came to our home to asses his behavior and get to know him a little before we worked on a few things inside before a walk.

He's 4, And apparently he's above my wife in the pack order, but not myself (YET - She said he seemed confused about his place)

He practiced waiting whilst we put his colar/lead on and off until he could do it patiently without jumping around exited and dragging us to the door, then he practiced waiting for us to open a door and walk through it without pushing past us to the door.

After that we showed her how, If we're sitting on the sofa he will want to be there, in our faces crying for attention, to be up in between us and so on, she advised if we don't want him there, just gently push him away and tell him no, so we done this a few times and he sort of got the hang of it.

Since then we've started establishing what should apparently be ground rules;

He sleeps by me on the bed - no longer allowed?
If he comes up to the sofa - Don't let him?
If he comes for attention - Send him away?

Now, I think those are all things that should be OK - but on my terms?

He's now decided he wants to stay out of our way, doesn't want attention and will shy off when we approach him?? doesn't seem good?!

If I ask him onto the bed, The sofa or if he comes for a stroke, Surely thats fine?

I feel like I'm being asked not to love my dog to correct his behaviour problems? Is it right to question when I give my dog attention?

some honest suggestions please?
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What was the issue causing you to hire a trainer?

My dogs sleep with me, come up to me for love ect. No problem. But also no behavioral problems associated with it. The pup can be a little too pushy and demanding about getting in our faces for attention and we have recently set some new rules about that which he is adjusting to fine.

Sometimes it is necessary to stop giving out so much free attention and affection if the dog is not sufficiently motivated in training because why work hard for something they can get free and on demand.

My dog would get kicked off the furniture in a heartbeat if he ever refused to move if I needed him to or copped an attitude about it.
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He pulls on the leash alot and doesn't like strangers, or dogs, we have only had him a year, don't know his past and he's tried to bite a few people (not made a point of going up and biting someone, he's been pestered etc) We just found out we're expecting a baby and where advised to get him through some training lessons to ensure he's on point and behaving as he should in 7 months time.

He will move when he's told, but a few times my wife has went to stroke him whilst he's been on the sofa or the bed with her and he's growled or gave made it known he wanted her to leave her alone - my opinion was just tell him to get off and dont touch him?

Either way - he needs leash traning and socialising with people and dogs.
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Well I obviously do 'tknow enough about your trainer to be able to say whether they are any good,

But the dog has growled at your wife who is now pregnant and this absolutely warrants total overhaul. In my opinion losing furniture privileges is totally appropriate. It will be easiest for the dog to understand no more furniture period and safest for your wife....heaven forbid there if a conflict with the dog while she has a baby in her arms.

As for giving affection, is your trainer trying to implement Nothing in Life is Free? If so I would agree with that, too. Is the trainer saying don't dver pet the dog, or....?

I think the most important thing is that you do anything and everything you can do to support your wife with this dog so there is no conflict.
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Ok, so had his first ''Training class'' last night. The trainer came to our home to asses his behavior and get to know him a little before we worked on a few things inside before a walk.

He's 4, And apparently he's above my wife in the pack order, but not myself (YET - She said he seemed confused about his place)

He practiced waiting whilst we put his colar/lead on and off until he could do it patiently without jumping around exited and dragging us to the door, then he practiced waiting for us to open a door and walk through it without pushing past us to the door.

After that we showed her how, If we're sitting on the sofa he will want to be there, in our faces crying for attention, to be up in between us and so on, she advised if we don't want him there, just gently push him away and tell him no, so we done this a few times and he sort of got the hang of it.

Since then we've started establishing what should apparently be ground rules;

He sleeps by me on the bed - no longer allowed?
If he comes up to the sofa - Don't let him?
If he comes for attention - Send him away?

Now, I think those are all things that should be OK - but on my terms?

He's now decided he wants to stay out of our way, doesn't want attention and will shy off when we approach him?? doesn't seem good?!

If I ask him onto the bed, The sofa or if he comes for a stroke, Surely thats fine?

I feel like I'm being asked not to love my dog to correct his behaviour problems? Is it right to question when I give my dog attention?

some honest suggestions please?

Sounds like the trainer is doing something similar to NILIF. Trust the system. After all that's why you chose this trainer right?

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Can you take things away from him? Has he been around children? Children will pester a dog.
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Ah I must say, It was a few month before we found out she was pregnant the dog had his episode, he was rightly punished at the time(told off, not allowed up etc)

So is it fair to say if I call the dog, ask him to sit and give him attention, then Its fine as he's sort of worked for it?

I agree with just sticking with it too! Just feels a bit weird not being ''best pals'' with the dog - as my wife calls it ha.

She basically said give him attention at the right times - Maybe I should have asked when the right time is!!

Yea the trainer has had good results with GSD's so we went with it.. I mean what she does is making him better behaviour wise .. maybe I'm over thinking it and I'm afraid it will damage our bond!
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Yes we can take anything from him, I can sit next to him when he eats, remove it, put it back and so on, same with toys, blanket and so on, if he has a toy and thinks its a game of tug, he gets told to ''leave it'' and he does. he's good in that manner

he's walked by children on his walks, a toddler ran up and cuddled hit once (Totally caught me off gaurd as she came from behind a car I never saw her) he's never bothered, but i've never intenionally involved him with children as nobody I know has any!!
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Ok, so had his first ''Training class'' last night. The trainer came to our home to asses his behavior and get to know him a little before we worked on a few things inside before a walk.

He's 4, And apparently he's above my wife in the pack order, but not myself (YET - She said he seemed confused about his place)

He practiced waiting whilst we put his colar/lead on and off until he could do it patiently without jumping around exited and dragging us to the door, then he practiced waiting for us to open a door and walk through it without pushing past us to the door.

After that we showed her how, If we're sitting on the sofa he will want to be there, in our faces crying for attention, to be up in between us and so on, she advised if we don't want him there, just gently push him away and tell him no, so we done this a few times and he sort of got the hang of it.

Since then we've started establishing what should apparently be ground rules;

He sleeps by me on the bed - no longer allowed?
If he comes up to the sofa - Don't let him?
If he comes for attention - Send him away?

Now, I think those are all things that should be OK - but on my terms?

He's now decided he wants to stay out of our way, doesn't want attention and will shy off when we approach him?? doesn't seem good?!

If I ask him onto the bed, The sofa or if he comes for a stroke, Surely thats fine?

I feel like I'm being asked not to love my dog to correct his behaviour problems? Is it right to question when I give my dog attention?

some honest suggestions please?
I'd forget about pack order. What you're really looking for is clear black and white rules. What the trainer is probably seeing is a dog that's unsure about things in general and is feeling his way around and trying to figure it out for himself by the way he comes for attention or pushes up onto the couch. I think its better if instead of creating a cycle of trying to stop him from doing things, you concentrate on teaching him what to do.

Come here when you tell you and then he'll get attention, not when he's nervously pushing for it helps make coming when called mean more to him. Giving him a spot to lay and relax away from you on the couch teaches him to relax in his surroundings instead of needing you're reassurance.

Some dogs are fine with being on the furniture, some it just leads to confusion and its better to keep certain boundries and a routine that they can count on before you have the baby. There's always a balance, its not like you shove him away anytime he comes near you, but the trainer is probably seeing something in the way he's doing it that isn't exactly like he's just happy to be there.
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Yes I see where you're coming from, As if he's getting rewarded with attention for coming when called for? I have been teaching him to lay down on a blanket when we are on the sofa, he gets the hang of it and will lay wherever it is, but sometimes still comes looking to be up, or get attention.

Yea the routines and boundry thing, we thought that hence hiring the trainer to make sure we addressed everything. He's going to get two classes a week.. hopefully he responds well!
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