The dog sounds like he has some intensity. Unless you want to sit in a chair for a half hour playing the immobalization game (I have done this, it takes some upper body strength), its quicker to use some pressure especially since he isnt a sport dog and points are not a consideration.
Method 1: Back tie the dog on a flat collar, put a prong on him with a 4-6foot lead. Give him the tug. Play a bit then say "out" one hand on the tug the other on starts popping the prong firmly repeatedly until he finally lets go. The minute he does: Mark and reward with another bite and some play. Let him win a couple times then repeat above steps.
Method 2 (This one is the best imo): Put the dog on a long line and remote collar (after you have collar conditioned the dog). Give the dog the tug, play a bit. Give him the "out". Apply the collar at a medium level and wait until he lets go. The minute he does mark and reward with another bite. Play and let him win then do it again. Sometimes have him out in your hand sometimes on the ground. Use the line to prevent him from touching the object until you mark.
The key with both methods is the dog cannot run away from you with the toy. The dog does not always get outed every time he brings you the toy or you touch the toy. Its unpredictable but always he has no choice in the end but to out the toy.
Sometimes you end up with freaks of nature. I had an x Malinois at one point that was super posessive, no trades or immobalization for him. In order to get him to out, I ended up using a Dogtra set to max. I would still have to wait sometimes for 3-6 seconds for him to out even with the collar on continous. Once he got it though things progressed quickly and his object drive greatly sped up the training.
Bastian the Beast
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