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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-26-2015, 01:19 PM Thread Starter
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The power of training your dog with food

So my dog has little to none food drives. He works for the food but he does it so casually. Like he's just doing it to do it. Its extremely frustrating especially when you are trying to teach him a position but he wont do it cause he does not want to follow my hands. His tail isnt wagging at all when we are doing it. Only time his tail waggs and he is sort of into training is when i have a ball in my hand. So my question is, if my dog has little to none food drive, should i buy the michael ellis power of training your dog with food?
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How is his appetite generally? Does he eat his meals with gusto or pick at them and walk away before finishing? And what are you using for treats?

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Well we have been feeding him 6 cups a day for the past month r month and a half because i was told he was to skinny by my trainer. I know that sounds like a lot but he eats it all at one time and still wants more. I used to only feed him 4 cups and when i took him to the guy i bought him from (T Floyd) he told me he was too skiny so i started feeding 5 cups a day and a couple weeks after we seen T Floyd i started training with this new guy who told me add 1 more cup because he was still too skiny. He doesnt get any treats. I use his food for his training. (Im trying not to confuse u) So i mentioned he gets all his food at one time, well lets say for about a week now I have been breaking his food into 3 r 4 sessions of training a day. So he is no longer getting all 6 cups at one time. Now he gets it through his OB training which i try to do 3 r 4 times a day. And to answer your question, when i was feeding him his food all at once he was eating so fast he would chocke so i had to make him get away from his bowl so he could chew what he had and then eat again and i would do this like atleast 5 times. Hope that answers your question.
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Yes, what I was trying to get at is whether he's food motivated or not. The fact that his appetite is very good but he's not working well for food for you may be technique, in which case you might benefit from proper instruction.

Six cups a day is a lot of food, but if he's skinny it may be the right amount for him. But I would never feed a dog that much at once, in a single meal. I do two feedings a day for adults, and three meals for a puppy, depending on age.

Do you think he'd work for food if you trained before a meal, when he was hungry, and used higher value treats than just kibble?

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Yeah it could be the technique. And when i train him he is hungry or atleast i think he is because his last session is probably around 8 oclock at night. And his first is 4 in the moring. Thats what time i have to be up for work. So i get one session in before i leave. Yeah i can try treats never used them because an older trainer i use to work with told me he only trains with their food.
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If I can throw my two cents in...
My dogs love their kibble but are not very motivated if I use it while training.I use hot dogs,cooked chicken or liver,cut up in tiny pieces.If I am not feeling enthusiastic on a particular day neither are they.I release every few minutes for play also.So order of importance for us is,enthusiasm,high value treats,frequent play breaks.Hope that's helpful!

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How old is your pup now? They do seem to transition to toys as being more interesting and exciting. I would just use the ball as the treat. I believe even Michael Ellis transitions to the tug toy, similar to Ivan Balabanov. Go with what he likes so yeah, skip the video. Also, Bowwowflix is a place that you can sign up for and rent videos, like Netflix. They have all the Michael
Ellis videos. And a lot of those videos are on You tube, at least in part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLH8WHyaNFo also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWnL4VWZNg

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My dog likes treats sometimes, sometimes not. I think it depends on the weather. When it is hot outdoors, a freshly roasted chicken wouldn't turn his head. When it is cooler, a small chunk of Red Barn is appreciated. But if we really want his full attention, we put a frisbee under our arm.

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Yeah i can try treats never used them because an older trainer i use to work with told me he only trains with their food.
That's fine, if you have a dog that will work for kibble. I do, and I have used just kibble at times with my dogs, or kibble mixed with other things to make it more enticing. But usually I go for something a bit more interesting.

Rather than doing something a certain way because you've always done it that way, or because a trainer you like and respect recommends only doing it that way, I think it's best to respect the dog who will always tell you what's most motivating to him.

Better treats, or a ball or other toy, as others have suggested, might be best for your boy.

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He will be in 2 January. Yeah i know he should already know all of this. Im in the military and alot of stuff can pop up. Espcially when you are away for 6+ months also being inconsitent. Working with the wrong trainers its alot of stuff. We have alot to cover. Im trying to teach him positions such as heel or between my legs or just getting him to move where i need him to be and its hard doing it with the ball. I will have to try the hot dogs and cooked chicken. Hopefully that works. Thanks everyone for the help. Ill let yall know how it works out.
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