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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-23-2015, 09:11 PM Thread Starter
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Are bite work and personal protection the same thing?

I've been seeing and hearing the term "bite work" and wonder if it's the same training as personal protection?
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There is a lot of overlap. Bite work can refer to both sport training and real life personal protection training. What people train for will make a deference in what they focus on. The foundation training and bringing along a young dog is the same; developing confidence, targeting, a basis of solid obedience, making the training fun and rewarding for the dog.

But if one is training for sport, the aim is competition, so there are very particular things being trained for that the dog will be scored on while in trial. Some of these things are control, quality of the bite, intensity and commitment in the fight, out on command, as an example. Bite sports include IPO and SDA, and the dogs may work on a bite sleeve or a bite suit, but obvious, visual equipment is used even in trial, and the dogs will be disqualified if they bite a person somewhere other than the protective equipment.

For real-life personal protection work or police work, the basis and beginning of the training is very similar, but then the training moves on to more realistic scenarios with hidden protection on the "bad guy". The dog needs to be civil, meaning that they need to be willing to bite for real, and the fight can be for real. Some dogs do fine on protective equipment, but are lacking confidence to engage a threat for real, i.e. bite for real, and stay in the fight when the bad-guy is punching and fighting back for real.
In personal protection training, some of this is tested with muzzle work, so the dog can't really grab and fight and hurt a decoy with no protective equipment, but shows his drive to stay in the fight no matter what.

Many people who do protection sports will expand their training and their dogs' skills by working them on hidden equipment, or setting up new scenarios. The insights and knowledge gained about the dog in these new training scenarios is very revealing about the dogs' character (and not to mention, fun to train!).
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Hi Fodder! Nice to see you back! Sorry it had to be under some sad circumstances.

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Castlemaid I see in your signature you just a dog this year. I'm so sorry I must have missed it.

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Thanks Castlemaid.
I've been to K9 trials to watch my nephew and his dog. So, I've seen the bite part of that competition.
Finn's trainer offers personal protection.
I think at his facility bite work and personal protection are one and the same.




















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Lucia pretty much said it all. Personally, I prefer a cross of real personal protection and sport work. Both have strengths and weaknesses. For me, I like the precision and control of sports. Precision would be sports like IPO. Control would be PSA. SDA, is kind of a mix of precision and control. One important thing to remember with sport training, is that it doesn't guarantee that your dog will protect you for real.

What I like about personal protection, is the unknown. I like seeing not only that my dog will defend for real, but also how to properly deploy the dog. After all, what's the point of having a weapon/tool if you don't know how to correctly use it. I like the tactical aspect of PP.

Another thing to keep in mind, is that any Joe Shmoe can call themselves a PP trainer. The nice thing about sports is that the decoys/helpers have to be certified. That doesn't tell you everything, but at least they are most likely safe and have been evaluated themselves. I'm also a believer that if you're spending all the time and money to properly train your dog, then you should also be able to title your dog. A title can show that the dog isn't some out of control monster. Just my two cents.

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Castlemaid I see in your signature you just a dog this year. I'm so sorry I must have missed it.

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Mycobraracr. Thanks for your post.
I'm pretty sure our trainer is qualified to teach PP. He has several certifications and he
assists w the training of an inner-city K-9 unit. He is well known and respected in that loop.
He also trains dogs for French Ring. I don't know what that is or if it's related to PP.
He just moved Finn up to Advanced Obedience and talked to me about PP. That's why I am wondering about it and would like to get other people's take on it.
I'd like to do something fun with Finn.
He's a big pup at 12 mos and 90lbs.
He will be neutered at 2 so I don't know if it would matter if he ever earned a title.
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Chip sorry your condolence to Castlemaid showed up in my post.

Castlemaid. I am sorry for your loss.
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