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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 10-26-2013, 06:42 PM Thread Starter
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minor rant, other dog owner, last day of class

So today was the last day of classes, and neither girl is ready for RNs yet, but that's ok. The next class for Karma would the the Rally class at the place where I am training. I hate the place but I like the instructor.

For Lassie's puppy class, there was no other class working at the same time. But the later class, Karma's had the Rally class in the other end of the room. They often have to walk through, and use the same doors, which means they walk through our class.

Well, that all isn't all that important. I have been to the Rally class with Joy, and Heidi might have worked a few weeks while Joy was in heat. And in the class was this dude with a border collie. His dog is just fine. And I didn't have any problems with him then.

Today, Karma was in rare form. Not sure why. Maybe the cold and the high winds had her frisky. Maybe she's getting ready to come into season, born January 29th, so not impossible there. But she was very interested in ALL the other dogs. She did not bark or act aggressive. But she wanted to play with everyone. She wanted to play with the black lab mix, and then the golden doodle that looked like an otter hound. Then the other golden mix. Then a couple of dogs that came in to go into the next class. What a pain.

So finally, we are all done, and I go outside to the common field to let her potty before the hour trip home, and this guy with the BC is in front of the door. Of course mine isn't going to want to potty with other dogs there, but I had to let her try. He had let go of his leash, and was talking to some other woman.

His dog starts to walk over to Karma. I am waiting for him to get his leash -- this is a dog-person, he should know better. But he didn't, he just informed me that his dog was a therapy dog and he wouldn't do anything.

So I used the "I'm not sure about my dog, to get him to reel his dog in."

He didn't. He said his dog works with aggressive dogs, and see there is no problem. The other woman said, yes, it's already diffused. What the??? There was nothing to difuse. Karma is NOT a dominant bitch, she is not aggressive, I am not there for a doggy play date, though Karma has played a few times with sheps that do not live with me. No problems.

Right now I am training her for Rally. This means going to shows without getting all excited about playing with other dogs. That is not what we are there for. If I wanted to go play with other dogs, there is a dog park not five miles from this training center that I could go to. Yupp, long drive to go let the dogs play, but that at least is free.

Why is it that people assume that you want your dog to go sniff butts with other dogs and romp with them. I did NOT want for this to happen, but I would have had to wake up my inner bitch to tell this guy off, and as it was the last day, I decided it just wasn't worth the effort.

As for diffusing the situation. There has to be a situation first. Whatever. This same yayhoo walked through our class to get outside and started talking to one of our members without bothering to pay attention to his dog who was on a bit of a social mission of his own.

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Crazy!!!!

Years ago I took my now RIP male through a basic agility class at a local kennel club. Loved the instructor, my boy was doing great. Except for another handler.

This woman was an obedience instructor at the same club. Had American water spaniels. Nice dogs. But the lady REFUSED to not constantly keep her dog engaged. She had a Gappay ball that she constantly swung around, teased her dog, through get legs, always constantly engaging in a very very busy way with her dog.

This was a beginner agility class, and I had a high drive working SAR GSD. 90% of the time my boy ignored it. But seriously, when waiting our turn she would stand there for 5 minutes teasing and tossing thus toy, squealing in a high voice.

Eventually my dog decided to jump off the plank and try for the toy that had teased him for 5 classes. He called off fine and I confronted her about it. Her response was " you dog should ignore it" I nearly punched her. So rude. This was a beginner class. I had control of my dog despite her lack of with her dog.

I never went back after that class. Just did not need the stress of constantly having to redirect my dog, who otherwise was doing great. Had this been an advanced class, it would have been different. I would expect more of my dog. But she was totally disrespectful of other dogs. And being a trainer herself I expect more.


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sue you must be to polite or soft spoken, I'd have let the guy have it and then some

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I probably should have said something to the effect that I am not here for a doggy play date, I am looking to show and want my dogs to ignore other dogs.

Some people can get their point across without sounding irritable. I fail miserably at this. Everyone would be talking about that nasty hag with the shepherds.

gsdsar, see, that's the thing. This guy is in a Rally class, he should know better. He should understand that not everyone wants their dogs to see other dogs and think it is play time. He isn't a new-comer. I trained Joy 3 years ago there and he was there training the BC. I'll cut some slack for a newbie.

Good news for today, Lassie took treats from the lady she has REALLY distrusted the last couple of weeks, and I got her to do the tunnel a couple of times too. Karma was full of PandV today, but she managed to go the the little rally course at the end of class, and the final exercise of sitting while I grabbed a plastic bag off one chair, moved to the next, sit while I put an egg carton in it, and then move to the next, sit, while I remove the carton and put it and the bag on the third chair.

So, they are being exposed to some crap we will never do in the real world, but they are doing it pretty nicely, and they are having fun. What more can I ask?

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Good news for today, Lassie took treats from the lady she has REALLY distrusted the last couple of weeks, and I got her to do the tunnel a couple of times too. Karma was full of PandV today, but she managed to go the the little rally course at the end of class, and the final exercise of sitting while I grabbed a plastic bag off one chair, moved to the next, sit while I put an egg carton in it, and then move to the next, sit, while I remove the carton and put it and the bag on the third chair.
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Forced socialisation? You handled it well, but yeah, you shouldn't have to. I had a lady with I think papillon? Come right up behind me while I was getting one of the new signs explained to me, plenty of floor space and she has to butt hug my bubble? Wouldn't be a problem, but her dog had been snarling and growling at other dogs earlier and Zoey will only take so much before she can't hold it anymore. Zoey did let out a low growl, but looked back at me stopped, so pretty much a non event. The lady was oblivious to the actions of her own dog. Had this happen before too, the dog next to you is acting up/growling and the owner does nothing, I want to smack the owner.
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I have the same problem sometimes.

Sometimes we have to look at these things as 'training opportunities'.



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I probably should have said something to the effect that I am not here for a doggy play date, I am looking to show and want my dogs to ignore other dogs.

Some people can get their point across without sounding irritable. I fail miserably at this. Everyone would be talking about that nasty hag with the shepherds.

gsdsar, see, that's the thing. This guy is in a Rally class, he should know better. He should understand that not everyone wants their dogs to see other dogs and think it is play time. He isn't a new-comer. I trained Joy 3 years ago there and he was there training the BC. I'll cut some slack for a newbie.

Good news for today, Lassie took treats from the lady she has REALLY distrusted the last couple of weeks, and I got her to do the tunnel a couple of times too. Karma was full of PandV today, but she managed to go the the little rally course at the end of class, and the final exercise of sitting while I grabbed a plastic bag off one chair, moved to the next, sit while I put an egg carton in it, and then move to the next, sit, while I remove the carton and put it and the bag on the third chair.

So, they are being exposed to some crap we will never do in the real world, but they are doing it pretty nicely, and they are having fun. What more can I ask?

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Lol, people will say anything. Because Therapy Dogs are supposed to ignore other dogs. That's even part of the test - they weave around other dogs and aren't supposed to react to them. Duh.

People are in denial. What they really should be saying is that they have no control over their dogs. Sure, their dogs might want to say hi - but so what? Maybe their dogs want steak for dinner too. The worst is when someone is getting dragged over, not just walking over. That always freaks me out - how do I know the dog wants to say hi - maybe the dog wants to taste my dog! Argh, people.

By the way, is there a secret method of getting your inner bitch to sleep? I think mine would need heavy narcotics.
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