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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-08-2013, 05:51 PM Thread Starter
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Training with prong collar..

I recently rescued a 2yr old female Shepherd. Shes a sweetheart but im having a little trouble with getting her to listen. I have an 8yr old male who went through professional training (with prong collar) and he walks great on leash and is very well behaved. Ive tried to stop the female from bad habits like jumping and pulling on leash with the prong collar. She doesn't like it and she whines when it pinches. I know that shepherds are known for their whining and my male whined for his first few sessions with the collar as a pup. I don't want to hurt her but she needs to learn! She could just be dramatic but im just seeking advice to see if i should continue with the prong or try a different method.. Thanks!

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-08-2013, 06:06 PM
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If you stop now she's going to understand that if she whines about stuff she doesn't like...she'll get her way. Check out some youtube videos on prong training (try looking for non puppy demonstrations--I don't have any links handy but I have seen at least 1 good video where the trainer is demonstrating with a grown up dog as opposed to a puppy). Good luck!
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I'm planning on doing some different exercises for the jumping. Like putting on the collar and having some family members come in, and correct her when she tries to jump. Shes already doing much better with the walking with collar and today was her first day working on it!

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My dogs have never yelped from the prong collar. Are you doing a quick "pop" of pull?
At training I learned a balanced way to "pop", I was being wimpy, so the trainer encouraged to to try harder, but not to the point where the dog yelps. But I'm not there to see if your dog is being dramatic or not.

Are you placing the collar high on the neck, below the ears? I remember seeing Leerburg instructions on how to place the prong, they may also have videos for using them.

Other than the prong, you could try a spray bottle, at least that is what I do for unwanted cat behavior. Sorry no other ideas, our dog grew out of this quickly.

If your dog is jumping on you, say when you come home, we just learned to get down low, to her level, or she's allowed on the couch, so we direct her to the couch where we could all sit comfortably and get a happy hello.
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I have used most of the Lew Burke method on all my dogs with fantastic results, I had Lexie heeling off the lead within about 15 minutes or so of ever having a leash on her. This was done in two lessons, about 7 minutes or so each. This may sound harsh but it's not. You start off by tying them to a post or a stake where they can't get tangled up, with about a 3' lead. You walk away out of her sight but where you can see her. At first she will pull and fight, just remain calm, this will only last a little bit, 30 seconds or so at most has been my experience from what i can remember. After she calms down let her stay there another minute or so and then go to her with great praise. She has no reason to tie you to any of what has just happened to her as far as the prong collar goes. Now you untie her lead and you say heel while smacking your left leg and you take off. Sharp short corrections, by that I mean fast snaps without hurting her, you just want to get her attention. Every time she pulls away you smack your leg saying heel while at the same time giving her a correction. As soon as she comes to your side you give her a treat along with lavish praise. Lesson 2 starts off heeling on the lead doing the same as above. About 3/4 of the way through the second lesson you take the prong collar off and hold it in your right hand where it is hanging down where you can shake and rattle it. You tell her to heel while smaking your left leg as you start to walk, if she hesitates you rattle the collar, this will bring her to your side. Lexies results may be hard to duplicate, you may need a few more lead time lessons. I can't remember how long it took me to teach my male Dex,but I know for sure Lexie put him to shame, it seems like it was a few weeks or so with Dex, and I thought he was the smartest dog I had ever seen. It seems like Burke said it could take like 3 weeks or so to have them heeling off the lead. I have been extremely lucky. Once they have the concept down you can use a shock collar to tweak them.

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PLEASE don't use the prong collar!! It could cause SERIOUS injuries. I would recommend a Gentle Leader or Easy Walk. I have one of each and found that my GSD does a lot better with the Easy Walk. Both of these products are top of the line and help to stop the dog from pulling.

The biggest problem with prong collars is that dogs have an "opposition reflex." Meaning, when you (or they) pull against their collar, they instinctively pull back. Even if it means injuring themselves. They can't help it or stop it. Kane would flat out choke himself into a gagging for until we start using the Easy Walk harness.

The Gentle Leader and Easy Walk keep the products away from the opposition reflex area and away from the areas of the throat most likely to be injured with prong collars and even regular collars.


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I'm planning on doing some different exercises for the jumping. Like putting on the collar and having some family members come in, and correct her when she tries to jump. Shes already doing much better with the walking with collar and today was her first day working on it!

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When it comes to that, a collar and leash usually aren't even necessary. When she jumps, have whoever she joked on to look up and pull up their arms. Ignore the dog until the dog calms down and then reward with attention. If she jumps again because of excitement from the attention, repeat. It usually takes approximately a week, but it can be resolved without the use of a prong collar or leash or anything like that.


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Give her and the pinch collar a chance.....patience and calm will be best in long run.
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post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old 08-17-2013, 07:30 AM
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I agree with cliff

As for the prong collar causing serious damage, well, choke collars can cause worse injuries..Used correctly and not left on without supervision, prong collars are very effective.

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Gentle leaders have caused more damage than prongs I would bet. Again I think all tools are great for different dogs, different issues, but my dogs have prongs on and my chiropractor vet advised against head collars of any sort due to risk of serious neck damage.

Give the prong a bit more time. Once they know prong means walk, fun, training they are eager to put it on. Jingle a prong at my house you will get mugged by dogs. :-)


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