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Fear In Obedience?

Do you believe that there is a certain level of fear in obedience? A trainer friend has said this,and firmly believes it. I don't believe in this at all,and while we agree on many things,this isn't one of them.

A dog responding out of fear is way different than a dog responding because he respects you. That is not what I strive for.
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I don't think there should be fear in obedience. I think obedience comes from a dog's respect for you. I work with Kaiser the same way I teach my kids. I don't want them to fear me, as that would lead to bad things in the long run.

So I agree with you.
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I use a mix of positive and compulsion training. I'd like to see hear some feedback on IPO/SchH titled dogs (especially showlines) that were trained purely on positive training with zero compulsion or corrections. Not saying one is better than the other, just curious to see how often it happens.

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there should absolutely not be fear with Obedience. it should be all positive motivation. using praise and rewards. i can't believe anyone would beleive in fear motivation, in fact i don't even know how a dog could respond well to that. training should be fun and positive.

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Obedience and fear just don't work together...if a dog is obedient because they are afraid then they really aren't trained. This is my opinion and only my opinion

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I use a mix of positive and compulsion training. I'd like to see hear some feedback on IPO/SchH titled dogs (especially showlines) that were trained purely on positive training with zero compulsion or corrections. Not saying one is better than the other, just curious to see how often it happens.
I just took my dog to get evaluated for this and its done purely positive. BUT, there is always a but..although the trainer and training are positive it doesn't mean that any work outside of this with the owner is positive only. While I was watching the dogs, one of them kinda cowered his head when the owner had him in the heel position...it definitely looked like for a brief moment that the dog thought it was going to be hit...I remember thinking that if my dog ever did that I would be very disappointed in myself.

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I just took my dog to get evaluated for this and its done purely positive. BUT, there is always a but..although the trainer and training are positive it doesn't mean that any work outside of this with the owner is positive only. While I was watching the dogs, one of them kinda cowered his head when the owner had him in the heel position...it definitely looked like for a brief moment that the dog thought it was going to be hit...I remember thinking that if my dog ever did that I would be very disappointed in myself.
They "cower" their head when they are about to be remote collar zinged. You will know which dogs are trained that way , just watch the subtle reactions.
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No. Obedience is about working together as a team. there shouldn't be any fear involved. There is a time and place for a correction and if the correction is given at an appropriate time then there shouldn't be any fear.




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I just took my dog to get evaluated for this and its done purely positive. BUT, there is always a but..although the trainer and training are positive it doesn't mean that any work outside of this with the owner is positive only. While I was watching the dogs, one of them kinda cowered his head when the owner had him in the heel position...it definitely looked like for a brief moment that the dog thought it was going to be hit...I remember thinking that if my dog ever did that I would be very disappointed in myself.
Hence my question, I've visited a few schutzhund clubs, train at a club several times weekly and have been to several trials/events/shows. I am very much a novice, but I have yet to see a titled dog (especially a SL) that has been trained using positive training only. I am talking about IPO1/SchH1 at least. Not a BH or CGC. I have no doubt that the latter can be easily done using positive training. My point is that simple obedience can be done via positive only. I've done so with all of my non-schutzhund dogs. I have no doubts about that. I wonder how many dogs can be titled if we used only positive training for serious titling. Fear is different than a correction. A correction given properly can be an useful tool in training.

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if i went to any trainer that believed in fear based training i would run................i can't even imagine that type of thinking.......

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