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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-09-2012, 02:35 PM Thread Starter
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Operant vs Classical conditioning

Hmmm, I read on a shyk9's yahoo group about operant and classical conditioning and I find it very interesting and decided to share it with the GSD forum.

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"Therefore, the question arises: if you feed a dog who is aggressing, are you rewarding the *aggressive behavior* on an operant level (thus *increasing aggressive behavior*), or are you *changing the association* (for the better, thus eventually *reducing aggressive behavior*) on the Pavlovian (classical) level? It would seem that the two "levels" are working in conflict. In a stressed dog, it appears that the Pavlovian level tends to trump the dog's operant learning ability. Thus, if you take a dog who is very stressed and click and treat while it barks hysterically, you will actually reduce the stress and the barking."

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Hmmm, I read on a shyk9's yahoo group about operant and classical conditioning and I find it very interesting and decided to share it with the GSD forum.

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"Therefore, the question arises: if you feed a dog who is aggressing, are you rewarding the *aggressive behavior* on an operant level (thus *increasing aggressive behavior*), or are you *changing the association* (for the better, thus eventually *reducing aggressive behavior*) on the Pavlovian (classical) level? It would seem that the two "levels" are working in conflict. In a stressed dog, it appears that the Pavlovian level tends to trump the dog's operant learning ability. Thus, if you take a dog who is very stressed and click and treat while it barks hysterically, you will actually reduce the stress and the barking."
But wouldnt you click and treat AFTER the dog stops barking, reducing the barking behavior?
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I'm still confused about this too.
But from what I understand when you click after the dog stops barking, you are teaching him something like a command so it's operant. Clicking while there is a presence of a trigger, calms the dog down. This would be classical conditioning, you are changing the thought process.

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I'm still confused about this too.
But from what I understand when you click after the dog stops barking, you are teaching him something like a command so it's operant. Clicking while there is a presence of a trigger, calms the dog down. This would be classical conditioning, you are changing the thought process.
Kinda cofuseing O.o i can wait until i start attending ABC college! Ill be asking many questions like this! XD
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thank you very much for the link I just dont get how you would click while the dog is barking, thereforeit would bark more for that it was rewarded for doing so zccording to operant conditioning. but classical is connecting an one thing with another. Pleasecorrect me if im wrong ive always confused the two O.o
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I'm guessing it would be like, the dog is barking because of a trigger and you pair the trigger with a treat to get a new emotion.

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I'm guessing it would be like, the dog is barking because of a trigger and you pair the trigger with a treat to get a new emotion.
ahhhhhhh! ill have totry that and see if it works
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Hey there! I actually tried this with Celia on our walk, she is usually pretty aggressive towards this one boxer who barks threateningly at her, and it seemed towork well! She passed by him without a single bark. Now i see how it works x3 thanks
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Great link thanks! Now to try it with the pups!
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