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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-26-2012, 02:35 PM Thread Starter
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The bite work!

So... I have been watching all these videos on people doing bite work for protection dogs. And I have to say something... Why do people have the padding on one arm and the weapon on the other? Shouldn't A real protection dog should attack the arm with the weapon? And also I've seen a lot of videos of the dog biting the "forearm" when they should be biting the area between the "armpit" and "elbow"... Right?
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You're looking at SchH videos, right? It depends on what "style" or sport you are watching. My SDA dog bites forearm, chest/collarbone, and the armpit from front or back (no leg bits, I don't like them and never train them). I prefer collarbone or armpit bites, especially the armpit as that hurts like heck and gives the dog a good target from the front or the back.

Schutzhund/IPO is more stylized, and the dogs are trained to channel drive by biting the sleeve, but with a good protection dog it doesn't matter and many of the best do cross train, or have working street K9s that are also Schutzhund titled.
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What about biting the arm with the weapon? Isn't that what they should aim for?
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If that's what you train them for, yes. Schutzhund is not all that practical, other than testing drives in a more general sense. Schutzhund dogs are not being trained to "disarm" criminals.
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A lot of Schutzund work is foundation work. Experienced dog people can tell a lot about a dog and how serious he/she is in protection and how willing they are to engage and fight, even when only worked with a bite-sleeve. For dogs that are to go on for more advanced protection work, or dogs that are to go on to police work, then they will be trained to bite elsewhere on a suit, and to disarm and re-engage.

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Because part of a Schutzhund evaluation involves stick hits, and you can't hit a dog with a stick if he's biting the arm that's holding the stick.

Schutzhund was developed to evaluate potential breeding stock, not create fully-trained personal protection animals.


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Good question Noble. Some dogs do not care about the sleeve as much and only bite it because the helper keeps it between the dog and helpers body. Such dogs can very easily progress to bite anywhere on the body if the handler wants to train that. The stick is also an important part to test the dog, some dogs do not like stick hits, some only get more intense when threatened or hit by it. Each exercise tests a certain element of temperament and together provide a full picture of the dog's capabilities and deficiencies. Given the full picture a training plan is developed for that particular dog and if the handler so wishes, can pursue bite work with hidden equipment (if the dog is up to it).

At the same time there are some dogs that like to bite visible equipment only. For example if the helper drops the sleeve and charges the dog, the dog might run or just stand there looking around not knowing what to do. If the helper performs this stunt to the first type of dog described above, he can get seriously hurt as that dog will engage no matter what. Key is to know how to distinguish between these temperament types and choose what is best for that particular dog.

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Because part of a Schutzhund evaluation involves stick hits, and you can't hit a dog with a stick if he's biting the arm that's holding the stick.

Schutzhund was developed to evaluate potential breeding stock, not create fully-trained personal protection animals.
Ahhh... Makes sense.
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